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  • #16
    Originally posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
    So listening to your officer is bad advise ? Learning the basics also ?
    He is in school. He is learning. He even might have to take a test and pass it. Did you ever ask questions in school, ever go to the library and look up something that you wanted to know, or did you just sit on the back row picking your nose.

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    • #17
      Learn more about strip mall fires at Firehouse World...

      On March 1 Michael Daley will be teaching Firefighting Operations in Strip Malls and Taxpayers. Complete details at http://www.firehouseworld.com/fhw/events_tuesday.po

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      • #18
        Don't forget the very dangerous and unpredictable signs, facades, and whatnot that are on many of these structures. They're not as bad as our 1970's vintage K-marts and whatnot, but it's out there.

        Great idea on the unbroken glass.
        “I am more than just a serious basketball fan. I am a life-long addict. I was addicted from birth, in fact, because I was born in Kentucky.”
        ― Hunter S. Thompson

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        • #19
          RM - I guess I wasnt clear on my views - and to the OP this is nothing personal. Its about internet forums in general. In my opinion they are for enhancing your basic knowledge and sharing of ideas. There are some excellent ideas and tricks here. But they are no subsitute for the basics. I feel that before a new student or firefighter to be takes advise from an internet forum, he should read and study the basics. Using this subject as an example. The plate glass window tip. Excellent knowledge to share , but if a new fireman doesnt have a well rounded knowledge base , he may "fixate" on the glass in front and miss other signs of collaspe. I feel many new firefighters are gaining only surface knowledge and missing the basics. And RM 1524 - out of curosity why would you make the nose picking remark to some one you dont even know? Well to answer your question --- yes I generally sat in the back -most of the time with your sister, and my hands were way too busy with her to be picking my nose.
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          • #20
            A good example of why Strip Mall Fires are dangerous, from the VentEnterSearch site:

            http://www.vententersearch.com/?p=786



            Random stuff hanging from a ceiling suspended by nylon rope.
            "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

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            • #21
              What a schmuck that guy is! He has probably been to too many construction sites. "Oh, hey. They hang their most expensive stuff from a crane at the end of the day. I think I'll do that too."
              “I am more than just a serious basketball fan. I am a life-long addict. I was addicted from birth, in fact, because I was born in Kentucky.”
              ― Hunter S. Thompson

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              • #22
                Deputy Chief Mark Brown wrote a great article on strip mall issues. You can find it here: http://www.firehouse.com/topic/strat...ping-complexes

                We also recorded a very informative roundtable at Firehouse World on the command of strip mall fires. Several firefighter and officers from the West Coast discuss the challenges that they've encountered as the strip mall is very common in their response areas: http://www.firehouse.com/magazine/fi...es-strip-malls

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                • #23
                  Chapter 15 of Fire Officer's Hanbook of Tactics. I would even reccomend you to buy the book. (Is it sad that's one of the few books I've read cover to cover)

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                  • #24
                    I don't know why know has mentioned it in 2 pages, but no one has mentioned THE most dangerous thing about strip mall fires and other occupancies with drop ceiling:

                    Occupancies with drop ceilings have the ability to conceal significant amounts of smoke and fire in the space between the ceiling tiles and the roof. It is very easy for fire to be over or behind you.

                    My number one rule for these type of occupancies is either on AA's or reports of fire with nothing showing:

                    Lift a ceiling tile as soon as, or even before entering the door with a pike pole to see what the conditions are in the space between the tiles and the roof.
                    RK
                    cell #901-494-9437

                    Management is making sure things are done right. Leadership is doing the right thing. The fire service needs alot more leaders and a lot less managers.

                    "Everyone goes home" is the mantra for the pussification of the modern, American fire service.


                    Comments made are my own. They do not represent the official position or opinion of the Fire Department or the City for which I am employed. In fact, they are normally exactly the opposite.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by MemphisE34a View Post
                      Lift a ceiling tile as soon as, or even before entering the door with a pike pole to see what the conditions are in the space between the tiles and the roof.
                      This!

                      Never go past fire or let fire get behind you. Punching a hole in the ceiling right inside the doorway os also a good practice on any one story structure.
                      ~Drew
                      Firefighter/EMT/Technical Rescue
                      USAR TF Rescue Specialist

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by FiremanLyman View Post
                        This!

                        Never go past fire or let fire get behind you. Punching a hole in the ceiling right inside the doorway os also a good practice on any one story structure.
                        Agree, we make this a practice on any single story structure, commercial or residential. Poke a hole in the ceiling and make sure the fire is not running over your head.
                        "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by slackjawedyokel
                          Nameless-- you wouldnt have numerous fires if your mom would put the matches out of your reach. That would also solve that pesky bed wetting problem you seem to have.
                          You can do better than that.
                          IAFF

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                          • #28
                            And to add something constructive to this subject -- one trait of mini mall type buildings is you may have two very different (amount/ type/ configuration) of fire loads seperated by a just partition wall.
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                            • #29
                              Snowball -- I know ----that was weak - best I could do on one cup of coffe.
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                              • #30
                                Man, Oh Man.................

                                Originally posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
                                Snowball -- I know ----that was weak - best I could do on one cup of coffe.

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