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  • #46
    Originally posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
    Im curious how many guys that spend $50.00 plus on a helmet light, have spent $25.00 (up) on a good set of lineman pliars ?
    Not a bad question. A helmet light to me is not really a life safety device. It's simply a way to help me find things in dark compartments on the rig, navigate dark rooms till i find the light switch and light up my field of view at an accident or EMS scene. The only time i would ever likley use it in a fire would be during overhaul.

    It has a purpose, but items like linemans pliers that can save your life are items you should be spending money on first.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
      Im curious how many guys that spend $50.00 plus on a helmet light, have spent $25.00 (up) on a good set of lineman pliars ?
      Or $30 on some bail out rope.
      Career Firefighter
      Volunteer Captain

      -Professional in Either Role-

      Originally posted by Rescue101
      I don't mind fire rolling over my head. I just don't like it rolling UNDER my a**.

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      • #48
        Im curious how many guys that spend $50.00 plus on a helmet light, have spent $25.00 (up) on a good set of lineman pliars ?
        Or $30 on some bail out rope.
        Me, and me. Well, pump pliers.

        I have my light on a Blackjack - the Blackjack isn't that firmly on the helmet, so if it catches on anything (keep in mind it's under the helmet brim) it'll pull off the helmet. Guess how I know that
        "I've met lots of volunteer firefighters, but I've never seen a volunteer fire!"
        - R. MacLeod, Alma VFD

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        • #49
          Lineman pliers? Not familiar with that term; is that a different way of saying wire cutters?

          I have this item on my shopping list: http://www.thefirestore.com/store/product.cfm?SKU=CL-89 They also have a more plier-like version: http://www.thefirestore.com/store/product.cfm?SKU=CL-88 Actually I haven't completely decided which one to get; I assume I don't need both, because they're almost the same thing. The reason why I don't have one of these types of things yet is because I'm not a firefighter yet. I figured I would wait until the class and maybe get a recommendation from the instructor, or see what people here think is better...
          -Justin J. "JJR512" Rebbert

          The comments and opinions I express are solely my own and do not necessarily represent those of any employer or volunteer organization with which I am associated. Nobody is responsible for anything I say other than I alone.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by JJR512 View Post
            Lineman pliers? Not familiar with that term; is that a different way of saying wire cutters?

            I have this item on my shopping list: http://www.thefirestore.com/store/product.cfm?SKU=CL-89 They also have a more plier-like version: http://www.thefirestore.com/store/product.cfm?SKU=CL-88 Actually I haven't completely decided which one to get; I assume I don't need both, because they're almost the same thing. The reason why I don't have one of these types of things yet is because I'm not a firefighter yet. I figured I would wait until the class and maybe get a recommendation from the instructor, or see what people here think is better...
            Not those. Linesman pliers
            Last edited by Rescue101; 02-19-2011, 05:07 PM.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by JJR512 View Post
              Lineman pliers? Not familiar with that term; is that a different way of saying wire cutters?

              I have this item on my shopping list: http://www.thefirestore.com/store/product.cfm?SKU=CL-89 They also have a more plier-like version: http://www.thefirestore.com/store/product.cfm?SKU=CL-88 Actually I haven't completely decided which one to get; I assume I don't need both, because they're almost the same thing. The reason why I don't have one of these types of things yet is because I'm not a firefighter yet. I figured I would wait until the class and maybe get a recommendation from the instructor, or see what people here think is better...
              Those tools are great, but yes, you would only want to carry one of those.The Linemans version is more useful as it has the ability to be used as pliers, not just a a cutter and the cutting jaws are hardened and will cut virtually anything you can fit in it's jaws with little to no damage to the tool. The heavy, blunt end i also great for smashing through sheetrock/plaster and even thin wood.

              The cable cutting version only has two real uses. Cutting copper or aluminum wire at auto accidents and wire at some rescue situations and in an emergency, you could cut your way out an entanglement in a stucture. But the jaws will often be damaged if you cut heavy steel wire, like is used in drop cielings. Hardly a loss if you manage to free yourself and avert death. But can become an expensive issue if you use it often for such tasks.

              I carry the linesman version at all times and keep a pair of cable cutters in my tool roll for auto accidents.

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              • #52
                So both of you (Rescue101 and WD6956) would advocate the pliers version (Channellock 88) over the cutter version (Channellock 89), is that correct?

                Does it look like the 88 would be able to cut anything the 89 can cut?
                -Justin J. "JJR512" Rebbert

                The comments and opinions I express are solely my own and do not necessarily represent those of any employer or volunteer organization with which I am associated. Nobody is responsible for anything I say other than I alone.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by JJR512 View Post
                  So both of you (Rescue101 and WD6956) would advocate the pliers version (Channellock 88) over the cutter version (Channellock 89), is that correct?

                  Does it look like the 88 would be able to cut anything the 89 can cut?
                  I advocate having both types of cutters, BUT, of the Channellock models, yes, i suggest carrying ONE and in my opinion, the Linesman plier version (88) will be far more useful for the reasons i mentioned above.

                  As for cutting. The 89 has a wider jaw spread then the 88 so it can cut aluminum or copper wire in a larger size then the 88 without making multiple cuts. However, the jaws are nowhere near as powerful as the Linesman version and are not intended to be used on steel wire and will likley be damaged if you cut anything substaintial. Most drop cielings are supported by heavy steel wire, chain link fences, small padlocks (Luggage type), wire shelving, wire lath etc are all materials the 88 will cut with ease and with no damage. The 89 may cut it, but it will be damaged beyond repair.

                  The largest cable you would ever be cutting would be the battery cables on a car. In that application, the 89 would work best. The 88 could do it as well, but it may take two cuts. Hardly that big of a deal. But then realize that you would never be trapped in an IDLH atmosphere by a battery cable. The type of electrical cables you would encounter in a structure possible falling on you or getting you hung up in a wall would be Romex, BX or phone/video cables. All of which can be cut easily with the 88. So why carry a tool all the time who's primary design is to cut large diamater electric cables? I only want to carry in my pockets things i would use on most calls. Not things i use very little. Those items i keep in my bag on the rig and will stick in my pocket as the situation requires.

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                  • #54
                    Hey WD5669 - dont forget that cheap "helix" flex duct when it melts. Not hard to cut , but there sure can be a lot of it.
                    ?

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
                      Hey WD5669 - dont forget that cheap "helix" flex duct when it melts. Not hard to cut , but there sure can be a lot of it.
                      Ah yes, the never ending dryer ducting commonly used on bathroom exhaust fans. Nasty stuff to get hung up in. All those coils wrap around everything.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by JJR512 View Post
                        So both of you (Rescue101 and WD6956) would advocate the pliers version (Channellock 88) over the cutter version (Channellock 89), is that correct?

                        Does it look like the 88 would be able to cut anything the 89 can cut?
                        Haven't experimented with the two multi purpose Channellock cutters. I HAVE used the Linesmans. The BIG think about them is the way they leverage the cutters. As the others have said,they will cut nasty,hard stuff that boogers up the other tools. Just a GOOD all around plier. T.C.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by JJR512 View Post
                          So both of you (Rescue101 and WD6956) would advocate the pliers version (Channellock 88) over the cutter version (Channellock 89), is that correct?

                          Does it look like the 88 would be able to cut anything the 89 can cut?
                          If you pick up either version, find a way to cover the punch so it doesn't wear a hole in your gear. The 89 and a pair of Channellock 440's can get it all done.

                          Back on topic- a garrity life lite snug in a helmet strap and a right angle of some sort on your chest should work fine.

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                          • #58
                            Reduce entanglement go to a 660C with Defender. You've already done so, right?

                            For helmet light look at FoxFury Command lights. the model 20 is a bit over your price range but the way to go. Also much reduced entanglement hazard compared to brack style light.

                            Sleeve search is a neat Idea but what impact on NFPA1971? Tight band impact of TTP and THL?
                            Last edited by neiowa; 02-03-2011, 04:25 PM.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Rarified27 View Post
                              If you pick up either version, find a way to cover the punch so it doesn't wear a hole in your gear. The 89 and a pair of Channellock 440's can get it all done.
                              That's a good idea and TFS has a product for that: http://www.thefirestore.com/store/product.cfm?pID=6115 Still, it looks like sooner or later, the punch might work a hole in that leather, but I guess it makes more sense for the $18 sheath to be disposable rather than getting a hole in expensive turnout gear.
                              -Justin J. "JJR512" Rebbert

                              The comments and opinions I express are solely my own and do not necessarily represent those of any employer or volunteer organization with which I am associated. Nobody is responsible for anything I say other than I alone.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by JJR512 View Post
                                That's a good idea and TFS has a product for that: http://www.thefirestore.com/store/product.cfm?pID=6115 Still, it looks like sooner or later, the punch might work a hole in that leather, but I guess it makes more sense for the $18 sheath to be disposable rather than getting a hole in expensive turnout gear.
                                I got one of those TheFireStore versions and it sucks.. Go with Save-A-Jake and never look back. That is what I got.

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