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    Hey guys I've been searching all over and have come to realize there are a ton of different work schedules out there. Let me give you a little back ground on me. I worked at a dept for 4 years that used the oxoxoxxxx schedule. Now I have been working at a dept that does the 24-48 for the last 2 years.
    We get 9 kelly days that are picked like vacation days. plus 5+ vacation days based on years of service. We get paid the last business day of each month and they calculate our pay based on the month. February sucks because you are always short a day on that paycheck. every once in a while there is a month we work 11 days and that paycheck rocks. We also get 10 hours of OT on every paycheck. We are allowed trades, but we also have an SOP that states we can't work more than 48 hours. We are a fire plus ambulance dept. We are also a 3 platoon style dept. Before I was hired some guys disscussed the 48-96 but I guess it was shot down hard. The guys just didn't want to be on the ambulance for 48 hours. I can't blame them. when i do an ambulance tour it feels so long.

    So after working this 24-48 shift schedule a while I have come to realize that I like the "Cal-swing" shift way better. In our last E-board meeting I brought this up to the guys and they asked me to do some research so we can start a disscussion with the body on the idea of a possible 1 year trial of a different schedule. My questions are this:

    By switching to this schedule is it going to screw anything up with FLSA and our automatic OT and Kelly days? Both are 56 hour work weeks so I assume it should work fine.

    Is there anything that would have to change with our current pay structure to facillitate this schedule change?

    What are some Pro's that I can have prepared that will help Management?
    What are some Negatives that Management might see?

    Are there any sleep / stress related studies I can find on either of these schedules to help my cause.

    Is "California-swing" the correct name for the on off on off on off off off off schedule?

    Basicly I'm hoping the body would embrace this as an idea to start a disscussion. I never disliked the "Cal-swing" schedule when I worked it. But now I'm not a big fan of the 24-48.

    Thanks guys. I look forward to what you have to say.

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    "is "California-swing" the correct name for the on off on off on off off off off schedule?"
    Typically called " 3's & 4's " out West.

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    • #3
      It's called the California Kelley, it's not that popular in Ca. The 24-48 and the 48-96 seem to be more popular.
      IAFF

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      • #4
        Originally posted by barlaam1 View Post
        So after working this 24-48 shift schedule a while I have come to realize that I like the "Cal-swing" shift way better. In our last E-board meeting I brought this up to the guys and they asked me to do some research so we can start a disscussion with the body on the idea of a possible 1 year trial of a different schedule. My questions are this:

        By switching to this schedule is it going to screw anything up with FLSA and our automatic OT and Kelly days? Both are 56 hour work weeks so I assume it should work fine.

        Is there anything that would have to change with our current pay structure to facillitate this schedule change?

        What are some Pro's that I can have prepared that will help Management?
        What are some Negatives that Management might see?

        Are there any sleep / stress related studies I can find on either of these schedules to help my cause.

        Is "California-swing" the correct name for the on off on off on off off off off schedule?
        This is the schedule we work. It may or may not effect your kelly days and depending on your HR department, the guys may or may not like it.

        We don't get Kelly days, only our regular days off, but we normally get 3-4 "big flash" FLSA pay checks through out the year. Instead of an extra $28 on a a check, there is an extra $250.

        Our HR department pays us the same amount of money every 2 weeks regardless of the actual number of hours worked in a pay period knowing that it will all even out throughout the year. A neighboring department works the same schedule, but they get 4, 5, or 6 day checks depending on the actual number of days they work in any given pay period.

        Send me your email address and I can send you one of our calendars that has pay days and FLSA brackets marked.
        RK
        cell #901-494-9437

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        Comments made are my own. They do not represent the official position or opinion of the Fire Department or the City for which I am employed. In fact, they are normally exactly the opposite.

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        • #5
          Huh??.........

          I'm not sure where all that will end up. Here in this area, 24 on 72 off is the Normal shift. Our Paydays are every other Friday, and your check is always the same, unless you get overtime.........
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          • #6
            Hey guys thanks for the replies. I Think my next step will be getting with the IAFF. From what I'm told alot of the info I'm looking for (pro's and con's) they might be able to supply.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by matteo
              Hi,
              That is true that California Kelley is not popular in CA.and this two are seem to be more popular...
              Thanks for the information taht you've shared with us here,....
              You're very welcome. I find that sharing information creates a harmonious balance in what would otherwise be a non socialistic existence of entities that are virtually identical, respective to their jurisdictional limitations.

              I would also like to thank you for making the effort to agree with and reaffirm what I had previously stated in the thread just above yours. It is that kind of agreement that makes kind individuals like you so agreeable. I also wanted to let you know that by agreeing with my post contractually binds you to agree with everything I say henceforth and hereafter.

              Thank you for posting your agreement.
              IAFF

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              • #8
                Originally posted by snowball View Post
                You're very welcome. I find that sharing information creates a harmonious balance in what would otherwise be a non socialistic existence of entities that are virtually identical, respective to their jurisdictional limitations.

                I would also like to thank you for making the effort to agree with and reaffirm what I had previously stated in the thread just above yours. It is that kind of agreement that makes kind individuals like you so agreeable. I also wanted to let you know that by agreeing with my post contractually binds you to agree with everything I say henceforth and hereafter.

                Thank you for posting your agreement.
                Just plain funny as hell. LOL

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                • #9
                  Work Schedule.....

                  It's called the California Kelley, it's not that popular in Ca. The 24-48 and the 48-96 seem to be more popular.
                  I personally know of a few HUGE Departments that we've received phone calls and Station Visits from about the 48/96 Work Schedule.

                  I hope we never go to another work schedule. With your schedule you're going to, at your busy Stations think about recovery time off-duty.

                  Here's an example: Busy night on duty..... 48/96 you go home and sleep for part of your 1st day off. There's still (3) days to see the family, catch-up on the "Honey Do List", exercise and do whatever you do for stress relief. On the Kelley Schedule (4-4-6 or 3-3-4 as they're commonly called) you come home and sleep part of that 1st day, see the family for part, then it's back to getting ready for work (laundry and such) and then it's back to work. So over a (10) day period you end-up seeing the family and having free-time way more on the 48/96 Schedule.

                  I posted awhile ago about the pros and cons of our work schedule and the links are posted below. Check it out and let me know whatcha think.

                  http://www.firehouse.com/forums/show...+work+schedule

                  http://www.firehouse.com/forums/show...+work+schedule
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                  • #10
                    Hey everyone!!.............

                    Originally posted by snowball View Post
                    You're very welcome. I find that sharing information creates a harmonious balance in what would otherwise be a non socialistic existence of entities that are virtually identical, respective to their jurisdictional limitations.

                    I would also like to thank you for making the effort to agree with and reaffirm what I had previously stated in the thread just above yours. It is that kind of agreement that makes kind individuals like you so agreeable. I also wanted to let you know that by agreeing with my post contractually binds you to agree with everything I say henceforth and hereafter.

                    Thank you for posting your agreement.

                    SNOWBALL GOT HIS LAW DEGREE..........
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                    In memory of
                    Chief Earle W. Woods, 1912 - 1997
                    Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

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                    www.gdvfd18.com

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                    • #11
                      Then there's a local department here that runs a four platoon system, 3 on (0800-1800), 3 off, 3 on (1800-0800), 3 off. Not sure how there K days work.

                      Except for those three day shifts, you can almost hold down a regular "day" job, too...
                      Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

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                      • #12
                        Hi people! I'm new to the site, be gentle with me! I'm a UK firefighter and we work 2 days, (09.00-18.00) and 2 nights (18.00-09.00) then get 4 off, though you've worked 9 hours of the first day off.
                        We're having our contracts terminated at the moment to enforce a new shift.
                        May I ask what is the most popular shifts worked by our brothers across the pond?

                        Thanks

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                        • #13
                          I currently work a shift that goes 24on 24off 24on 24off 24on 24off 24on 24off 10on 5days off. I don't know of any other places near me that work anything like that. Everyone on the shift is staggered so that their 10 hour day falls on a different day of the week. Mine is Sunday. With our numbers there usually is two guys on 10 hour shift each day and that makes it so that we always have our coverage every day of the week. This schedule is pretty cool because you get a 5 day break every other week, and if you burn some leave time on your ten hour day, you end up with 7 days off.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by LFDAO10 View Post
                            I currently work a shift that goes 24on 24off 24on 24off 24on 24off 24on 24off 10on 5days off. I don't know of any other places near me that work anything like that. Everyone on the shift is staggered so that their 10 hour day falls on a different day of the week. Mine is Sunday. With our numbers there usually is two guys on 10 hour shift each day and that makes it so that we always have our coverage every day of the week. This schedule is pretty cool because you get a 5 day break every other week, and if you burn some leave time on your ten hour day, you end up with 7 days off.
                            Pretty cool? I wouldn't like to see the station for 9 days in a row. But that's just me.
                            IAFF

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by LFDAO10 View Post
                              I currently work a shift that goes 24on 24off 24on 24off 24on 24off 24on 24off 10on 5days off. I don't know of any other places near me that work anything like that. Everyone on the shift is staggered so that their 10 hour day falls on a different day of the week. Mine is Sunday. With our numbers there usually is two guys on 10 hour shift each day and that makes it so that we always have our coverage every day of the week. This schedule is pretty cool because you get a 5 day break every other week, and if you burn some leave time on your ten hour day, you end up with 7 days off.
                              We work a 24-48 and still get a five day every other week. I think you need to get a new schedule...but I may be spoiled. How many days a year do you work?
                              Just a typical moronic, childish, idiotic munchkin.

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