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    I'm not buying the "Mounted on the Windshield is Illegal" part, regardless of what state you're in........... For one thing, the States themselves mount stuff on Windshields. EZ-Pass Toll Counters for one thing. Residential Parking Stickers, State auto inspection Stickers, And The Biggie, the Federally Mandated Interior Rear View Mirror. Then there's the Window mounted Lights used in unmarked Public Safety Vehicles. Federal Motor Vehicle Standards outrank State laws.......
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    • Originally posted by Captain Easyrider View Post
      Same here, but try and sell that to the new breed technology crowd! Lets just use cameras, officers are now off the hook.(sarcasm)
      PEACE
      Actually, the officers would be further on the hook with the cameras than they would be without them. Without the cameras, if the apparatus driver did something like take a turn too fast, but not crash and no complaint is made, then there would be no immediate accountability for the officer whether he chewed out the driver back at the station or did nothing since nobody would likely "review" the incident.

      However, if same situation occurred and it set off the drivecam, then now there is documentation of what happened and the officer can't "hide" or "ignore" the incident because someone will likely review the tape and be looking to see what action the officer took.

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      • How many apparatus wreck every year? Just wondering.

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        • Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
          You're so silly.

          We've always driven this way and never had cameras, so why so we need them now? (sic)

          The fact is there should be a camera in every responding apparatus in the country. Elements of the the fire service has, and continues to demonstrate tremndous irresponsibility in the way we operate our vehicle. Excessive speed. Blowing red lights. Blowing stop signs. And a host of other driving issues have all resulted in serious accidents, firefighter deaths and injuries and civilian deaths and injuries caused by our irresponsibility and our perception that the emergency itself (which is actually more often than not, not the case) and the need to "get there now" has overidden our responsbility to our members and the public to keep them safe while we respond.

          There is absolutly no arguement in the world, including those thrown out by those unabashidly pro-labor and pro-union that can make a dent in the need for these camera in every response vehicle.
          Do you have them in YOUR rigs?
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          • Originally posted by FireMedic049 View Post
            Actually, the officers would be further on the hook with the cameras than they would be without them. Without the cameras, if the apparatus driver did something like take a turn too fast, but not crash and no complaint is made, then there would be no immediate accountability for the officer whether he chewed out the driver back at the station or did nothing since nobody would likely "review" the incident.

            However, if same situation occurred and it set off the drivecam, then now there is documentation of what happened and the officer can't "hide" or "ignore" the incident because someone will likely review the tape and be looking to see what action the officer took.
            You must excuse me for my ignorance but at what point does the camera record what is said to the driver when he gets chewed out at quarters.
            Peace

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            • Originally posted by LVFD301 View Post
              I have yet to see you answer my question.

              So you are saying that if the cameras are simply remounted so they are not on the windshield your union will accept them with open arms?
              I will answer you on 21st birthday (4/9/2011) Lvfd301. If its legal and no other rules are being violated, yes. Then you join the adults at the big boy table. where some management doesn't follow the rules including state statutes, federal statutes, SOPs(that they write), FLSA, and CBA but you said you need to finish law school before anyone can understand that legal stuff.

              You haven't answered why its ok for management to break the law and not labor but please don't. I already know the answer. Hope when you become of age you get promoted.

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              • Originally posted by why View Post
                I will answer you on 21st birthday (4/9/2011) Lvfd301. If its legal and no other rules are being violated, yes. Then you join the adults at the big boy table. where some management doesn't follow the rules including state statutes, federal statutes, SOPs(that they write), FLSA, and CBA but you said you need to finish law school before anyone can understand that legal stuff.

                You haven't answered why its ok for management to break the law and not labor but please don't. I already know the answer. Hope when you become of age you get promoted.
                LOL, I bet LVFD wishes he was 21 again.
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                • Originally posted by why View Post
                  I will answer you on 21st birthday (4/9/2011) Lvfd301. If its legal and no other rules are being violated, yes. Then you join the adults at the big boy table. where some management doesn't follow the rules including state statutes, federal statutes, SOPs(that they write), FLSA, and CBA but you said you need to finish law school before anyone can understand that legal stuff.

                  You haven't answered why its ok for management to break the law and not labor but please don't. I already know the answer. Hope when you become of age you get promoted.
                  You know, you have given me the laugh of my day - week even. For some reason
                  many of the DOB's here on Firehouse got corrupted. Suffice to say, when I turned 21 back in 1981, I was already paying union dues. Thats after leaving Active Duty in the Air Force.

                  I have been talking about a change when I retire - maybe law school will be just the ticket.

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                  • Originally posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
                    LOL, I bet LVFD wishes he was 21 again.
                    LOL... I can't even begin to say what fun I would have...

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                    • Originally posted by why View Post
                      I will answer you on 21st birthday (4/9/2011) Lvfd301. If its legal and no other rules are being violated, yes. Then you join the adults at the big boy table. where some management doesn't follow the rules including state statutes, federal statutes, SOPs(that they write), FLSA, and CBA but you said you need to finish law school before anyone can understand that legal stuff.

                      You haven't answered why its ok for management to break the law and not labor but please don't. I already know the answer. Hope when you become of age you get promoted.
                      I'd wager a large bet that my friend LV has been laughing since reading your idiotic post.
                      His son is older than that. I'd even bet he has shoes older than that.

                      You seem to forget that you are employed and have to answer to your employers whether you or your union like when the rules are broken.

                      go back and hide behind your mommies skirts !

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                      • Originally posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
                        Do you have them in YOUR rigs?
                        No, but I wish we did.

                        The ambo where i work part-time has GPS with speed monitoring. Anytime the rig exceeds 74 MPH the owner gets an e-mail with the rigs location. He also has the ability to check all or any rigs speed live at any time. it doesn't bother me in the least.

                        He also has cameras in the yard and in the buildings. He even has one pointed at the crew quarters with a clear view of the patio. Again, he owns the business so it's his right to see anything and everything that goes on.

                        Sorta like the admin of the fire department has the same rights.
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                        • Originally posted by Rescue101 View Post
                          Oh my Achin azz! We don't have cameras in ANY of our vehicles and we don't have ANY troubles with these issues. PROBABLY because a CHIEF (or COMPETENT Fire officer) goes on every run and sets the pace for the run. T.C.
                          What is sad - you could probably benefit from having them to *prove* you aren't at fault at incidents.

                          I see no issues with them - however they are mounted. Cmon, they can be mounted to window visors, the deck of the dash or any number of places. As an engineer - I would mount to a hardpoint and NOT to the glass. Its a better long term mount than a suction cup to make sure it stays where I want it.

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                          • Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
                            There is absolutly no arguement in the world, including those thrown out by those unabashidly pro-labor and pro-union that can make a dent in the need for these camera in every response vehicle.
                            Well, I’ll tell you what. When you find a way to start coughing up for physicals, we’ll find a way to cough up to put cameras in every rig. What, you think they’re free? Sorry, I’ll take staffing, gear and equipment that actually puts fire out.

                            Aren’t you the one who cries continually about “unfunded” mandates? Whatever.

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                            • Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
                              No, but I wish we did.

                              The ambo where i work part-time has GPS with speed monitoring. Anytime the rig exceeds 74 MPH the owner gets an e-mail with the rigs location. He also has the ability to check all or any rigs speed live at any time. it doesn't bother me in the least.

                              He also has cameras in the yard and in the buildings. He even has one pointed at the crew quarters with a clear view of the patio. Again, he owns the business so it's his right to see anything and everything that goes on.

                              Sorta like the admin of the fire department has the same rights.
                              Congratulations on finally learning how to use the quote feature.. it only took you what, 6 years?
                              ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
                              Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

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                              • Originally posted by islandfire03 View Post
                                I'd wager a large bet that my friend LV has been laughing since reading your idiotic post.
                                His son is older than that. I'd even bet he has shoes older than that.

                                You seem to forget that you are employed and have to answer to your employers whether you or your union like when the rules are broken.

                                go back and hide behind your mommies skirts !
                                LV's probably spent more time on the firehouse crapper than this kid has spent in the firehouse!

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