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  • #16
    Originally posted by CharlieD View Post
    I know this is not going to be a popular. However, I fail to see what would be wrong about these well paid, union benefit receiving firefighters having to "pay" for a set of gear "they" will use on the job. Notice the words pay and use in quotes.

    This brings to mind a few jobs I had as an employee where this was normal to have to pay for some job related items out of pocket..
    I Have never Been Employed in a Hazardous job Where I was Required to Pay for my own PPE, and i would love to hear from some one that has
    Asking some one to work in a IDLH environment and then not equipping them with proper PPE is a Lawsuit of epic proportions just waiting to happen. You Have really had to pay $1965 to go to work every morning? Must have been a impressive job.

    I will say that this post is a Epic example of people's stupidity, AND of there intelligence, To the one that voted Yes Good Job. To you Penny pinching Ba$tards that said no, Kick rocks.
    Courage, Being Scared to Death and Saddling Up anyways.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Rock307 View Post
      He's baaaaack!

      What are all the different names Scarecrow has gone by through the years? I've seen a couple of incarnations, though I'm sure some of you guys who have been here longer have seen more.
      Yes, it's him. It's his real first name (well, Charles is his formal name) and his real last initial. Ever wonder where the name CDevoe came from?

      HotTrotter, BeerGod, Scarecrow57...and what was that most recent one?

      So, Charlie, are you expected to purchase your own computers at Symantec?
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      • #18
        Originally posted by tree68 View Post
        Most of our commissioners here aren't politicians. District elections are in December, so they are pretty far from the public consciousness.
        If they run for elected office they are, by definition, politicians.

        The fact that they are "far from the public consciousness" isn't necessarily a benefit. It means, among other things, that such commissions stand a very real chance of becoming inbred groups representing special interests rather than the public at large.


        If there is one advantage to having a fire district, it's that the sole purpose is fire protection. They can't claim that the {insert any department} department needs the money worse and take it away from the fire department to fund said "need."
        Again, not necessarily an advantage. The fact is that the public only has so much to spend in taxes and not having to condsider the impact of other services can lead to unrealistic expectations of how much the public ought to spend on just one.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by CharlieD View Post
          I know this is not going to be a popular. However, I fail to see what would be wrong about these well paid, union benefit receiving firefighters having to "pay" for a set of gear "they" will use on the job. Notice the words pay and use in quotes.
          Nothing wrong? Aside from it being illegal? A fundamental notion about an employer's responsibility to the workers is a safe workplace. That includes providing appropriate PPE. You can ask employees to supply a number of things out of their own pocket but this isn't one of them.
          "Nemo Plus Voluptatis Quam Nos Habant"
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          • #20
            Originally posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
            Judging from"CharlieD's" writing style....

            Hello Scarecrow...
            Agreed. The shoe fits.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by BFD Commish View Post
              This is yet another example of why the control and oversight of Fire and EMS should be in the hands of a dedicated, independent, elected Fire Commission with direct tax authority, rather then part of a City or County Government.
              Some states that don't have that option. I'd dare say that three out of four firefighters in Virginia wouldn't even know what the hell a "fire commissioner" is.

              Your blanket statement appears to be written as someone with a bad run-in with local government...?
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              • #22
                Originally posted by CharlieD View Post
                I know this is not going to be a popular. However, I fail to see what would be wrong about these well paid, union benefit receiving firefighters having to "pay" for a set of gear "they" will use on the job. Notice the words pay and use in quotes.

                This brings to mind a few jobs I had as an employee where this was normal to have to pay for some job related items out of pocket. I experienced the same thing as an IC (independant contractor) and of course, when I ran my own business. The difference is, if you aren't working and putting out a good product as a contractor or employee you are gone. You aren't complaining about the expense of having to sacrifice a little.

                I understood at times, in order to get the job done, a little sacrifice would be required and this could mean spending some money to get money.

                if you take the time to look and know the individuals involved you simply end up shaking your head. Some, not all public servants can rightly be considered public leaches. I don't care to hear about one more petty union grievance or whining in this sector.
                What is "WRONG" is the "City" is REQUIRED by FEDERAL Law to furnish the gear and replace when necessary. What's NEXT,bottle drives to replace the rigs, and fund the FD? Don't think they are OVERstaffed by what I can see. I suspect if you were a FF in that 'City" you might wonder a little more about the thought process. Oh, and welcome back Dumbass, you HAVEN'T been missed, T.C.
                Last edited by Rescue101; 10-13-2010, 09:26 PM.

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                • #23
                  I once worked for an employer that refused to pay for steel-toed, puncture resistant boots that were required for certain employees. These employees frequently worked in areas where the flooring consisted of expanded metal with the slip-resistant teeth. Needless to say, a pair of boots sometime lasted only a year or two.

                  The logic the employer gave? The employees wore the boots home and it couldn't be proven that the wear-and-tear was all "work related."

                  I appreciate that these folks are looking for creative ways to make ends meet during tough economic times. With that said, I could have been more open to the proposal if they were talking about firefighters paying for their station/duty uniforms and/or their dress uniforms. Outside of that, those two councilmen are way off-line.

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                  • #24
                    I wonder if the cops will have to buy thier guns and ammo?
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                    I don't mind fire rolling over my head. I just don't like it rolling UNDER my a**.

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                    • #25
                      I wondered how long it would take my fine town councilmen's ignorance to turn up here.
                      As the son of both a long time Police officer and a fire fighter from this city I hear all about the intricacies of this issue. What you guys see in this video is a revenge tactic: The PD and FD have proposed a charter ammendment for the ballot this Nov. It made it on the ballot, and the council doesn't like it. A council member has even been recorded stealing the campaign signs that support this levy and charter amendment that the FD and PD are supporting.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by CharlieD View Post
                        I know this is not going to be a popular. However, I fail to see what would be wrong about these well paid, union benefit receiving firefighters having to "pay" for a set of gear "they" will use on the job. Notice the words pay and use in quotes.

                        This brings to mind a few jobs I had as an employee where this was normal to have to pay for some job related items out of pocket.
                        Maybe if those workplaces were unionized, you wouldn't have been expected to provide those items on your own?


                        I experienced the same thing as an IC (independant contractor) and of course, when I ran my own business. The difference is, if you aren't working and putting out a good product as a contractor or employee you are gone. You aren't complaining about the expense of having to sacrifice a little.
                        Uhm, when running your own business you ARE your employer and if you choose not to purchase business related items for yourself with business funds, then you're probably an idiot. As an independent contractor, you may still be your own employer and thus expecting the business to which you are providing services to buy tools/equipment for you to perform the contracted work would not be reasonable.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by CharlieD View Post
                          I know this is not going to be a popular. However, I fail to see what would be wrong about these well paid, union benefit receiving firefighters having to "pay" for a set of gear "they" will use on the job. Notice the words pay and use in quotes.

                          This brings to mind a few jobs I had as an employee where this was normal to have to pay for some job related items out of pocket. I experienced the same thing as an IC (independant contractor) and of course, when I ran my own business. The difference is, if you aren't working and putting out a good product as a contractor or employee you are gone. You aren't complaining about the expense of having to sacrifice a little.

                          I understood at times, in order to get the job done, a little sacrifice would be required and this could mean spending some money to get money.

                          if you take the time to look and know the individuals involved you simply end up shaking your head. Some, not all public servants can rightly be considered public leaches. I don't care to hear about one more petty union grievance or whining in this sector.


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                          • #28
                            Scarecrow, crowbar is back under a new name!!!
                            I hope so. Just for the simple fact that I would hate to know there are 2 people out there that have the same asinine, mindless train of thought spewing out drivel like this....
                            My posts reflect my views and opinions, not the organization I work for or my IAFF local. Some of which they may not agree. I.A.C.O.J. member
                            "I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
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                            Co-author of the Second Amendment
                            during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788
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                            • #29
                              I'm reporting all of his current and future posts once again. Everyone else should do the same until the webteam wakes up and bans him again.
                              Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
                                Yes, it's him. It's his real first name (well, Charles is his formal name) and his real last initial. Ever wonder where the name CDevoe came from?

                                HotTrotter, BeerGod, Scarecrow57...and what was that most recent one?

                                So, Charlie, are you expected to purchase your own computers at Symantec?
                                For the record, a google search of "Charles Devoe" returns some, shall we say, different results.
                                Thomas Anthony, PE
                                Structures Specialist PA-TF1 & PA-ST1
                                Paramedic / Rescue Tech North Huntington Twp EMS
                                The artist formerly known as Captain 10-2

                                No, I am not a water rescue technician, but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

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