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  • monkybrainz
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    i think thats the one i was training with last night?(elkheart chief) the end came off and shot a heck of a smooth bore stream that dumped a LOT of water at 75psi, and with the end on it had a fog with well defined fingers a amazinvg coverage.. but the cost for a vfd is pretty high but worth it. im no expert, but i was impressed..

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  • LFD2203
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    No attempt to hijack this thread, but.....
    I've been a big fan of the Elkhart line for many years now, but lately I've noticed that once our nozzles get just a little age on them, they will not shut off completely. We primarily use SM-20s, some are fog only, some are breakapart with 15/16" smoothbores. Some are 100 psi and some are the low pressure nozzles. This is happening way to much for me to think that it's just our nozzles. This happens so much to us that the crews don't send them in for repair, it's become normal.

    Anyone dealing with this, and got any ideas how what may be the cause?

    Back to original thread: Elkhart Chief, 250 gpm @ 50psi with integral 1 1/4" smoothbore would be my choice. If you want a little more from the fog tip, go with an SM-30 low pressure that can get you up to 325 gpm. Bet you will find the need to gate the pressure down when the new pumps come online unless you're using a long hose lay.

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  • neiowa
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    Originally posted by emtiv1998 View Post
    Any suggustions for 2.5 inch nozzles for an industrial complex? Right now we are running straight off the hydrant with a hydrant pressure of about 95 psi. This will change soon with the addition a primary and secondary fire pump which should charge the loop to around 140 psi. We have experience with TFTs and Akron and use Akron with our 1 3/4 attack lines. Looking for a recommendation for a 2 1/2 fog nozzle with a playpipe. Also any recommendations for a smoothbore would be appreciated as well but primarily interested in fogs.
    I'm very impressed with Akron ZeroTorque for 2-1/2" big benefit in controlling with high nozzle reaction. Particularily if only one FF. Going to have pretty high nozzle reaction at 140psi.

    Or in this application do you use a hydrant valve at hydrant gated down? Similar to a highrise/standpipe application? Reduce flow/pressure? Have neither in my area.

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  • Rescue101
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    Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
    Aw Jason,

    You don't have to go over there. Come on back. You should know by now that I am a pretty forcefully opinionated guy. I meant no disrespect or harm. Honestly, guys that respect each other can disagree and still be Brothers.

    Now toughen up ya damn sissy and get back in the battle!!
    Just get a VINDICATOR or two and get over it! Hehe T.C.

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  • FyredUp
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    Originally posted by Dickey View Post
    (straightening my skirt )

    Actually Harve, as much as it pains me to admit it...(just kidding)he is right. I made too general of a statement that left a lot of room for interpretation. I should have been more specific, getting the options you want for example. Once you have that figured out, then they all are pretty close to the same. That was my point.

    I totally agree with him. At least this time!!
    See that wasn't so hard now was it?

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  • Dickey
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    Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
    Heck Harve,

    That wasn't fighting. It was just a forceful exchange of ideas between Brothers. It will be fine once he realizes I AM RIGHT!
    (straightening my skirt )

    Actually Harve, as much as it pains me to admit it...(just kidding)he is right. I made too general of a statement that left a lot of room for interpretation. I should have been more specific, getting the options you want for example. Once you have that figured out, then they all are pretty close to the same. That was my point.

    I totally agree with him. At least this time!!

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  • FyredUp
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    Originally posted by hwoods View Post
    Well Folks, What's New on the Nozzle Situation????.........


    Nothing, Just Fyred and Dickey fighting again..........



    Heck Harve,

    That wasn't fighting. It was just a forceful exchange of ideas between Brothers. It will be fine once he realizes I AM RIGHT!

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  • hwoods
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    Well.............

    Well Folks, What's New on the Nozzle Situation????.........


    Nothing, Just Fyred and Dickey fighting again..........

























































































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  • FyredUp
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    Originally posted by Dickey View Post
    Yes, you are 100% correct....I guess I should have been more clear of what I was thinking.

    ...I didn't mean that they were all the same in a general way, I meant that in a "find what works for you with the features you want" type of way.

    Certainly there are options for gallonage, patterns, pistol grips, bail designs, etc. I was trying to say get what you want with the options that you want for your purpose. Once you figure that out, they are pretty much the same.


    Sorry for the confusion....I'll be over here if you need me.

    Aw Jason,

    You don't have to go over there. Come on back. You should know by now that I am a pretty forcefully opinionated guy. I meant no disrespect or harm. Honestly, guys that respect each other can disagree and still be Brothers.

    Now toughen up ya damn sissy and get back in the battle!!

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  • Dickey
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    Yes, you are 100% correct....I guess I should have been more clear of what I was thinking.

    ...I didn't mean that they were all the same in a general way, I meant that in a "find what works for you with the features you want" type of way.

    Certainly there are options for gallonage, patterns, pistol grips, bail designs, etc. I was trying to say get what you want with the options that you want for your purpose. Once you figure that out, they are pretty much the same.


    Sorry for the confusion....I'll be over here if you need me.

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  • FyredUp
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    Originally posted by Dickey View Post
    emtiv1998...

    Basically, a nozzle is a nozzle is a nozzle, especially with smoothbores.

    I couldn't possibly disagree more with this statement. Well, other than the smoothbore comment.

    The difference between an automatic nozzle and a single gallonage nozzle and an adjustable gallonage nozzle are substantial. The way they operate, especially the automatic, has led to massive misunderstandings and improper flows for decades. I am sorry but it simply is not as simple as you are making out.


    Get something that you can afford, that is comfortable to work with and that will do the job easily for you. Task Force Tips (TFT) is probably going to be the top of the line, pay for the name type of thing. They might be the most popular simply because they advertise more.

    They WERE the most popular because of a marketing Blitz when they first hit the market filled with exagerations, hocus pocus, and in some cases outright lies, by some sales people as to what the nozzles could do. I remember the first time a sales guy tried to sell my volly FD a TFT nozzle. We used 1 1/2 inch hose and he told us just put this nozzle on there and you will be flowing 300 gpm in no time. Yeah right!

    Do they work? Absolutely. Within the confines of their design. They are not magic, they do not produce water, and they are perhaps the most misunderstood nozzle ever used by the fire service.


    Chief, Elkhart, TFT, Flowmax, etc. are all about the same, just a different customer service package. I personally like a pistol grip. Just make sure they are built heavy duty with a good shut off. There is nothing that causes more damage than a leaky nozzle that won't shut off!!

    Again, I disagree. The only way to know what is right for any particular situation is to determine what you want the nozzle to do and buy the nozzle that does what you want. Durability is an issue. Size and weight are an issue. And YES, cost is an issue.
    I waver back and forth between liking the pistol grip and then finding myself not using them even if they are on the nozzle. I guess it is all personal preference.

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  • Dickey
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    emtiv1998...

    Basically, a nozzle is a nozzle is a nozzle, especially with smoothbores.

    Get something that you can afford, that is comfortable to work with and that will do the job easily for you. Task Force Tips (TFT) is probably going to be the top of the line, pay for the name type of thing. They might be the most popular simply because they advertise more.

    Chief, Elkhart, TFT, Flowmax, etc. are all about the same, just a different customer service package. I personally like a pistol grip. Just make sure they are built heavy duty with a good shut off. There is nothing that causes more damage than a leaky nozzle that won't shut off!!

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  • FyredUp
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    I have been using the Elkhart Chief low pressure nozzles on my career job for 12 years, and on my volly FD for over a decade, with NO problems and no repairs needed.

    Although I guess I could say the same for the old style Akron TurboJets. My volly FD used them for many years

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  • GTRider245
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    I agree with Fyred. Being as you currently rely on hydrant pressure, a low pressure fixed gallonage fog would be the way to go. This will also make hose handling easier if and when you boost your available pressure. And as mentioned in another thread, Elkhart is all metal. They get my vote.

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  • FyredUp
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    I am an Elkhart single gallonage low pressure combination nozzle fan. The choices for a 2 1/2 inch line include a 250 gpm at 50 psi, 250 gpm at 75 psi, 300 gpm at 75 psi single gallonage nozzles. Or if you prefer an automatic nozzle Elkhart offers a 75 psi version that flows from 75-300 gpm.

    For smoothbores I would suggest a 1 1/4 inch tip for a flow of 326 gpm at 50 psi. If you want a heavy hit, long reaching nozzle, this is the obvious choice.

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