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  • #16
    Originally posted by nameless View Post
    one of the things the rest of the country should copy. Have they seen any negative consequences after apparatus crashes?


    P.S. any one that goes to fires even occasionally would do better to get a sleeve and store their goggles in a pocket or somewhere protected. A couple fires and the goggles will be forever smoked up, and if you aren't doing outside work by the time you need eye protection your goggles will be gunked up from debris.
    But at least you'll be compliant!
    Career Firefighter
    Volunteer Captain

    -Professional in Either Role-

    Originally posted by Rescue101
    I don't mind fire rolling over my head. I just don't like it rolling UNDER my a**.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by JerseyPride57 View Post
      After watching numerous documentaries this weekend on 9/11, I couldnt help but notice how the fdny's helmets just have bourkes, no eyeshield or goggles. It was my understanding that you need goggles with bourkes to be NFPA compliant.

      How do they get around this? Or is anyone familiar enough to know that they carry goggles in turnouts? Thanks.
      Unless something has changed...we are not a "NFPA" state. We follow OSHA...and NFPA where we feel like it. Supposedly the newly issued helmets are NFPA (so says MG)...but that is just because of what the manufacuture is selling...we still have 1000s of OSHA compliant helmets in the field.

      Most of our rigs have at minimum one or two issues at least that keep them from being "compliant" with the shakedown artists from Quincy. (I'm still of the opinion that they should be investigated re: RICO statutes.)

      FTM-PTB

      PS- Never had any problems with my bourkes...they do their job just fine regardless what some self-serving, self-imposed, "experts" from the New England fire protection echo chamber might say.

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      • #18
        Much more importantly.

        Are the Speedo's issued to the Brothers NFPA compliant? I hear the 2010 issue is the strictest on Speedo's yet declaring that:

        "Any skid marks found in the liner of the Speedo is indication of severe incontinence and cause for mandatory replacement"

        This could cause departments to have to spend thousands weekly, depending on who cooks and if beans are on the menu often.
        Last edited by JohnVBFD; 09-13-2010, 03:13 AM.
        Co 11
        Virginia Beach FD

        Amateurs practice until they get it right; professionals practice until they cannot get it wrong. Which one are you?

        'The fire went out and nobody got hurt' is a poor excuse for a fireground critique.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by nameless View Post

          P.S. any one that goes to fires even occasionally would do better to get a sleeve and store their goggles in a pocket or somewhere protected. A couple fires and the goggles will be forever smoked up, and if you aren't doing outside work by the time you need eye protection your goggles will be gunked up from debris.
          This. If you look at my helmet you wouldn't see any eye protection, compliant or otherwise. Doesn't mean I don't have any. Never understood helmet (externally) mounted visors/eye protection, one good fire and they were done.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by FuturePrimitive View Post
            This. If you look at my helmet you wouldn't see any eye protection, compliant or otherwise. Doesn't mean I don't have any. Never understood helmet (externally) mounted visors/eye protection, one good fire and they were done.
            that is why the NFPA changed the standard recently to allow eye protection to be in a pocket of your bunker gear and you would still be compliant. the only other item that really makes a helmet compliant is the lexan impact cap.

            disclaimer: (not an NFPA supporter)

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            • #21
              Might be an NFPA "compliant" form of eye protection, but i took a shot of hydraulic to the eyes with my face shield down (line on a port-a-power blew up--spray came up behind my shield) several years ago. I've worn goggles since and i think even most flip-downs offer a smaller gap than the shield.

              Your mileage may vary.
              earl

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              • #22
                Actually the the claim that Morning Pride EZ-Flips are NFPA compliant has nothing to do with how well they protect eyes. This has to do with the heat test that they do in a 500 degree oven. NFPA states that any thing above the brim of the helmet (ie. goggles or visor) must not melt and droop below the brim in order to keep the field of vision clear. Morning Pride uses the loop hole that the EZ-Flips are mounted BELOW the brim so the helmet is NFPA compliant. Yes they still melt and will block your view. I wouldn't be surprised if this loop hole is corrected on the next revision.

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                • #23
                  If you guys would go back and read the standard the face shields are ony compliant to a secondary form of eye protection. For Primary eye protection compliance you have to wear goggles that completely encompass the eyes.
                  Am I being effective in my efforts or am I merely showing up in my fireman costume to watch a house burn down?” (Joe Brown, www.justlookingbusy.wordpress.com)

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Greenacres2 View Post
                    Might be an NFPA "compliant" form of eye protection, but i took a shot of hydraulic to the eyes with my face shield down (line on a port-a-power blew up--spray came up behind my shield) several years ago. I've worn goggles since and i think even most flip-downs offer a smaller gap than the shield.

                    Your mileage may vary.
                    earl
                    Thats all it took for me to either look away or wear safety glasses when D/Cing hyrdo lines. One of the worst pains of my life.
                    Career Firefighter
                    Volunteer Captain

                    -Professional in Either Role-

                    Originally posted by Rescue101
                    I don't mind fire rolling over my head. I just don't like it rolling UNDER my a**.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by BLSboy View Post
                      Who really gives a flying fcuk?!?
                      BLS boy, let me help you out with your intentional misspelling.

                      WHO GIVES A F U C K.
                      Lt. Dan Harris
                      Rescue Co. 3
                      Memphis Fire Dept.
                      [email protected]

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by danomfd View Post
                        BLS boy, let me help you out with your intentional misspelling.

                        WHO GIVES A F U C K.
                        Wow! Dano steps up to the plate revealing a snafu in the Firehouse.com's automatic censuring program.

                        Having said that, to the original poster, if your question is about the FDNY specifically and you don't work there, it is of no consequence.

                        If your question is about Cairns leather helmets, they are not specific to the FDNY and are therefore not NYC helmets. Even so, most fireman could care less what the NFPA has to say about helmet certifications or just about anything else.
                        RK
                        cell #901-494-9437

                        Management is making sure things are done right. Leadership is doing the right thing. The fire service needs alot more leaders and a lot less managers.

                        "Everyone goes home" is the mantra for the pussification of the modern, American fire service.


                        Comments made are my own. They do not represent the official position or opinion of the Fire Department or the City for which I am employed. In fact, they are normally exactly the opposite.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by danomfd View Post
                          BLS boy, let me help you out with your intentional misspelling.

                          WHO GIVES A F U C K.
                          Thank you Sir!
                          AJ, MICP, FireMedic
                          Member, IACOJ.
                          FTM-PTB-EGH-DTRT-RFB-KTF
                          This message has been made longer, in part from a grant from the You Are a Freaking Moron Foundation.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by GFD940 View Post
                            Actually the the claim that Morning Pride EZ-Flips are NFPA compliant has nothing to do with how well they protect eyes. This has to do with the heat test that they do in a 500 degree oven. NFPA states that any thing above the brim of the helmet (ie. goggles or visor) must not melt and droop below the brim in order to keep the field of vision clear. Morning Pride uses the loop hole that the EZ-Flips are mounted BELOW the brim so the helmet is NFPA compliant. Yes they still melt and will block your view. I wouldn't be surprised if this loop hole is corrected on the next revision.
                            that doesn't make sense because all "bourke" style eye shields should b NFPA compliant then, or is MP just the only one to market theirs as such?

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