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  • #46
    Originally posted by Crowscare_Devoe57 View Post
    As much as I feel for anyone losing their job, I have to say, it's a shame this happened.

    Unions bullying a town to spend money that they clearly don't have, is not fiscally sound. Think of the big picture. It may be good for the few firefighters who regained their jobs, but this will systemically doom the future of that towns economy in paying for something in which they don't have the monetary means.
    This isn't a case of the Union "bullying a town to spend money that they clearly don't have". This was a case of an elected official "bullying" a specific group of city employees.

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    • #47
      Heavens forbid that a city decides to go a different direction with it's fire protection.

      How dare the city not provide firefighters with a job!
      Train to fight the fires you fight.

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      • #48
        Still don't get it, do you? HOW did YOU ever get a "paid" gig? Somebody asleep in the village? T.C.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Rescue101 View Post
          Still don't get it, do you? HOW did YOU ever get a "paid" gig? Somebody asleep in the village? T.C.
          Ignore him. He is an elitist. He hates career fire fighters while he himself is full time with full benefits. He is one of the "Do not do as I do, do as I say do.". He looks down his nose, with disgust, at the undeserving. How dare we draw a pay check doing a job we love to feed our families.

          LaFireEducator are you receiving state supplemental pay?
          Last edited by Acklan; 09-26-2010, 10:57 PM.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
            Heavens forbid that a city decides to go a different direction with it's fire protection.

            How dare the city not provide firefighters with a job!
            You're such a [email protected]$$.

            First of all, you don't know what you are talking about regarding this specific situation. This is in my backyard and I know what has been going on.

            Secondly, this was not simply deciding to go in a "different direction" as you put it. This was an illconceived decision to eliminate the portion of a city department that handled the bulk of its workload and place it squarely on the backs of the remaining underperforming (in terms of overall participation) portion and additional personnel that may or may not ever exist.

            Anybody with half a brain should be able to figure out that you can't decide to eliminate the career staffing in a department like this and be ready to turn over the keys to the operation to the volunteers in a couple months time without an immediate, serious drop off in performance.

            Third, this was never about a city not providing firefighters with jobs. This was not the "financial crisis" that the city was claiming it to be.

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            • #51
              Louisiana Fireducker is a disgrace to paid and volunteer firefighters the world over. A phony and a hypocrite. Beer Bong is just an idiot.
              IAFF-IACOJ PROUD

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              • #52
                Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
                Heavens forbid that a city decides to go a different direction with it's fire protection.

                How dare the city not provide firefighters with a job!
                What's ironic is that your so called fire department employs you as one of it's 2 employees.

                Hey, let's hire the asshat that publicly states that a trapped kid in a burning car isn't "his problem".

                And just for the record, just which fire department are you associated with? Is it Benton or Haughton?
                Last edited by MemphisE34a; 09-26-2010, 11:44 PM.
                RK
                cell #901-494-9437

                Management is making sure things are done right. Leadership is doing the right thing. The fire service needs alot more leaders and a lot less managers.

                "Everyone goes home" is the mantra for the pussification of the modern, American fire service.


                Comments made are my own. They do not represent the official position or opinion of the Fire Department or the City for which I am employed. In fact, they are normally exactly the opposite.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by MemphisE34a View Post
                  What's ironic is that your so called fire department employs you as one of it's 2 employees.

                  Hey, let's hire the asshat that publicly states that a trapped kid in a burning car isn't "his problem".

                  And just for the record, just which fire department are you associated with? Is it Benton or Haughton?
                  Neither one.

                  Just for the record we currently have 5 paid members- 2 adminstrative and 3 line.

                  We will be hiring 3 additional line by the end of the year.
                  Last edited by LaFireEducator; 09-27-2010, 08:27 AM.
                  Train to fight the fires you fight.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Acklan View Post
                    Ignore him. He is an elitist. He hates career fire fighters while he himself is full time with full benefits. He is one of the "Do not do as I do, do as I say do.". He looks down his nose, with disgust, at the undeserving. How dare we draw a pay check doing a job we love to feed our families.

                    LaFireEducator are you receiving state supplemental pay?
                    Yes, I am. And that is important how?

                    Again, because I'm a paid firefighter I should support paid firefighter's everywhere?

                    Maybe that's the union line, but I don't buy it. There are departments that could lay off career firefighters and provide the same fire protection with volunteers to the community at a far lower cost.

                    Again, I don't hate career personnel but I strongly beleive they should only be used in areas where a volunteer system is impractical due to density, call volume or specific highly technical or specialized training needs, such as refineries or industrial situations. Volunteer and call personnel should be preferred choice in other areas simply due to the cost efficiency of such systems. I guess if that makes me a hater, so be it.

                    Just because I have a job, I should always side with career staffing even though there are places where volunteer could easily do the job?

                    I will again use the example of a small city in our area that has 5 men per shift, and runs no EMS and only responds to 500 calls per year. Does that community truly need 15 career personnel for that call load? Honestly.

                    Obviously you beleive that career should support career. I don't. In these times, communities often have to make choices, and yes, the fire service has a history of providing services through volunteers, and doing so can be reasonably accomplished in many small and even medium sized communities. Other city services often cannot be provided in such a way and require full-time often specially trained or college educated staffing. That's an unfortunate fact.
                    Last edited by LaFireEducator; 09-27-2010, 08:24 AM.
                    Train to fight the fires you fight.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
                      Neither one.

                      Just for the record we currently have 5 paid members- 2 adminstrative and 3 line.

                      We will be hiring 3 additional line by the end of the year.
                      Which you in past posts totally disagree with.

                      I will again use the example of a small city in our area that has 5 men per shift, and runs no EMS and only responds to 500 calls per year. Does that community truly need 15 career personnel for that call load? Honestly.
                      Apparently, they care about their safety and property values and made that choice.
                      ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
                      Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
                        Neither one.

                        Just for the record we currently have 5 paid members- 2 adminstrative and 3 line.

                        We will be hiring 3 additional line by the end of the year.
                        Obviously someone at a higher pay grade than YOU sees the need for paid personnel. Whether YOU like it or not. Funny thing is if I were your chief I would be having a little sit down with you. We would be discussing things like strategic planning, where we see the department going in terms of needs analysis and personnel. I would end the conversation with with this little gem..."So Bobby are you happy here in your job? Why do I ask? Because frankly I am tired of you undermining MY decisions on the world wide web. I am the Chief and YOU work for me. If you are that unhappy with how I am running the department maybe it is time for you to move on." I would have done that years ago with you. You are a back stabbing hypocrite. You took a paid job there all the while ****ing and moaning about the paid staff already there. You claim over and over it could all be done with volunteers, yet there you are collecting a paycheck. You can't see what an absolute *** you have made of yourself over and over and over on this topic.

                        You don't want anyone to question or criticize the bizarre operations of the Bossier parrish fire department, yet you NEVER miss a chance to criticize, malign, belittle, judge, and tear down other fire departments. You jump on LODD's like they are a ride at the fair, you attack paid firefighters everywhere, you presume to know what is better for other communities while telling all of us we don't know Bossier Parrish. Which by the way I am grateful for, because my first task if I were there would be to expose you for the absolute hypocritical fraud you are.

                        Quid pro quo, Bobby, you want people to shut up about your insignificant little corner of the world shut up about ours. It is really that simple. The only reason anyone pays one lick of attention to you is just to make your idiotic ramblings look stupid over and over. You make it so easy.

                        Oh, have a nice day posting online and drawing a paycheck. Seems like a gravy gig for a hater like you.
                        Last edited by FyredUp; 09-27-2010, 10:09 AM.
                        Crazy, but that's how it goes
                        Millions of people living as foes
                        Maybe it's not too late
                        To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
                          Neither one.

                          Just for the record we currently have 5 paid members- 2 adminstrative and 3 line.

                          We will be hiring 3 additional line by the end of the year.
                          Elm Grove?

                          If you pay attention, the fire department is nearly always the last paid service in any town or city. That is the part that I don't get. When quite possibly one of the most dangerous and costly events in someones life occurs, why is that person and their government okay with saying a scattered volunteer firefighting force can be assembled from all over town, maybe, and they will do the best they can. Keep in mind now, that a paid police officer in the same town will pull you over and issue you a ticket for not wearing your seat belt in your own private automobile in the name os safety.

                          Why not the elected officials that scream the fireman ate a drain on the budget? How many of them are volunteering their time. Why not their secretaries? Why not the road crew, the carpenters, the mechanics, HR, legal, utility workers, etc.

                          The only people in America that are still expected to volunteer are fireman. I occasionally volunteer in a rural Mississippi county that has every other aspect of government with paid employees. Even though there are still rural areas, it is a very populated county and is in fact one of the fastest growing counties in America. Every year an appeal is made for the County to employ some paid firefighters for some of the 10 volunteer departments in the County. Every year the Board of Supervisors says there is no money and every year, every other aspect of County government gets bigger, especially the Sheriff's department.

                          These reasons, and many more are why when a Mayor decides he is going to eliminate the entire paid firefighting force or a guy in IL says to firefighter are "street people" and to fire a firefighter a month and watch him lose his house, his wife leave him, and his dog die is why so many of us get ****ed off when we see or hear these kinds of action. It should **** off volunteers off as well! If a guy getting paid to risk his life to protect citizens and their property from fire is a "street person", what do you think this Board will think of someone who did it for free??

                          It should **** you off as well, but you probably think the guy is a hero. Unfortuantely, for your wife and kids, I hope that even you don't get fired as the result of some stupid, pencil pushing bureaucrat who has absolutely no idea what he is talking about even though you deserve it for a lot of things that you have said and clain to believe in. I really home that a lot of you is schtick, just stirring people up on a website. Quite frankly if you really believe in some of the things you posted, like driving by a screaming child inside a car on fire because it's "not your problem", you don't even deserve to be breathing my air.

                          Lastly, you are aware that you could quit posting here and perhaps be more appreciated posting on a board for The League of Cities, or Mayors, or Tri-Data.....
                          Last edited by MemphisE34a; 09-27-2010, 10:46 AM.
                          RK
                          cell #901-494-9437

                          Management is making sure things are done right. Leadership is doing the right thing. The fire service needs alot more leaders and a lot less managers.

                          "Everyone goes home" is the mantra for the pussification of the modern, American fire service.


                          Comments made are my own. They do not represent the official position or opinion of the Fire Department or the City for which I am employed. In fact, they are normally exactly the opposite.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by MemphisE34a View Post
                            Elm Grove?

                            If you pay attention, the fire department is nearly always the last paid service in any town or city. That is the part that I don't get. When quite possibly one of the most dangerous and costly events in someones life occurs, why is that person and their government okay with saying a scattered volunteer firefighting force can be assembled from all over town, maybe, and they will do the best they can. Keep in mind now, that a paid police officer in the same town will pull you over and issue you a ticket for not wearing your seat belt in your own private automobile in the name os safety.

                            Why not the elected officials that scream the fireman ate a drain on the budget? How many of them are volunteering their time. Why not their secretaries? Why not the road crew, the carpenters, the mechanics, HR, legal, utility workers, etc.

                            The only people in America that are still expected to volunteer are fireman. I occasionally volunteer in a rural Mississippi county that has every other aspect of government with paid employees. Even though there are still rural areas, it is a very populated county and is in fact one of the fastest growing counties in America. Every year an appeal is made for the County to employ some paid firefighters for some of the 10 volunteer departments in the County. Every year the Board of Supervisors says there is no money and every year, every other aspect of County government gets bigger, especially the Sheriff's department.

                            These reasons, and many more are why when a Mayor decides he is going to eliminate the entire paid firefighting force or a guy in IL says to firefighter are "street people" and to fire a firefighter a month and watch him lose his house, his wife leave him, and his dog die is why so many of us get ****ed off when we see or hear these kinds of action. It should **** off volunteers off as well! If a guy getting paid to risk his life to protect citizens and their property from fire is a "street person", what do you think this Board will think of someone who did it for free??

                            It should **** you off as well, but you probably think the guy is a hero. Unfortuantely, for your wife and kids, I hope that even you don't get fired as the result of some stupid, pencil pushing bureaucrat who has absolutely no idea what he is talking about even though you deserve it for a lot of things that you have said and clain to believe in. I really home that a lot of you is schtick, just stirring people up on a website. Quite frankly if you really believe in some of the things you posted, like driving by a screaming child inside a car on fire because it's "not your problem", you don't even deserve to be breathing my air.

                            Lastly, you are aware that you could quit posting here and perhaps be more appreciated posting on a board for The League of Cities, or Mayors, or Tri-Data.....
                            And does ANY THINKING FF here think that SAME Council wouldn't CUT a Volunteers funding line JUST AS QUICK? Because they would in a HEARTBEAT. Fought that battle HERE for years. We always get what we NEED but NOT without fighting for it. To Cut EXISTING CAREER staff is just plain STUPID. I know of VERY few career outfits I would deem to be OVESTAFFED. T.C.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Iessthename
                              You know what doesn't make sense? Continued use of the word your instead of you're. You sound like a fool. If you're going to dish, please for the sake of all of us "professionals", learn to spell.

                              You know what else? Immature jackasses that don't know enough to keep their mouths shut. "Insert tacky queer comment". It doesn't matter if you are right or not, now you've just reduced yourself. Way to represent your department and the rest of us who know how to spell.
                              Yep, you're right, but so was I.
                              RK
                              cell #901-494-9437

                              Management is making sure things are done right. Leadership is doing the right thing. The fire service needs alot more leaders and a lot less managers.

                              "Everyone goes home" is the mantra for the pussification of the modern, American fire service.


                              Comments made are my own. They do not represent the official position or opinion of the Fire Department or the City for which I am employed. In fact, they are normally exactly the opposite.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Iessthename
                                You know what doesn't make sense? Continued use of the word your instead of you're. You sound like a fool. If you're going to dish, please for the sake of all of us "professionals", learn to spell.

                                You know what else? Immature jackasses that don't know enough to keep their mouths shut. "Insert tacky queer comment". It doesn't matter if you are right or not, now you've just reduced yourself. Way to represent your department and the rest of us who know how to spell.
                                Okay, Professor Higgins.... let us look at your sentence in the quote above:
                                Continued use of the word your instead of you're
                                That is an improper and incomplete sentence, as is this one:
                                Way to represent your department and the rest of us who know how to spell.
                                This little gem is from your post on the North Dallas EMT thread:
                                yea, i think u can do that
                                Let us look at your own grammar and spelling in the statement you made in that thread. The word "you" isn't spelled by just the letter "u".

                                As a matter of fact, you have a problem with the capitalization of the first word in just about every one of your sentences based upon searching your posts.

                                People who live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.
                                Last edited by DeputyChiefGonzo; 09-27-2010, 11:23 PM.
                                ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
                                Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

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