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  • Question for the more "seasoned" guys (and gals)

    I have an assignment of researching four fatal multiple dwelling fires. In my research I have uncovered one, a fatal fire in Seattle that killed four recently. My instructor defines multiple dwelling as a occupancy that houses three or more families. They can be either firefighter LODD's or civilian deaths.

    Thanks in advance.

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    So what is your question?

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    • #3
      Uhhh.......

      Gitch, You are looking for 3 more incidents to study, Right??....
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      • #4
        Originally posted by CGITCH View Post
        I have an assignment of researching four fatal multiple dwelling fires. In my research I have uncovered one, a fatal fire in Seattle that killed four recently. My instructor defines multiple dwelling as a occupancy that houses three or more families. They can be either firefighter LODD's or civilian deaths.

        Thanks in advance.
        Ask him what a 2 family dwelling is called?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by len1582 View Post
          Ask him what a 2 family dwelling is called?
          a 2 family PD? aaaah, its late, wasn't seeing the sarcasm!!!
          Last edited by fdny84; 07-25-2010, 01:35 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by len1582 View Post
            Ask him what a 2 family dwelling is called?
            The instructor is probably basing his definition on NFIRS, which codes 1 and 2 family dwellings the same.

            But ask him anyway, for ball-busting reasons if nothing else.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by hwoods View Post
              Gitch, You are looking for 3 more incidents to study, Right??....
              Correct. Three more incidents. I should have made that more clear.

              As far the definition, I'll get my textbook out.

              My textbook (Fire Officer's Handbook of Tactics), considers single family and two family homes private dwellings. Any more families than that it is considered multiple dwelling.

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              • #8
                With apologies to webteam for linking to the "other" site...

                Gloucester City, NJ - July 4, 2002

                It's the second incident described at the "other" site...

                NIOSH report

                NJ state report


                Just do a google search for "Gloucester City fire July 4 2002" - a lot of tribute pages, but also more information and photos, etc.
                Opinions expressed are mine alone, and do not necessarily reflect those of the Philadelphia Fire Department and/or IAFF Local 22.

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                • #9
                  Here is the tragic story of the Aloha Park Apartments Fire in Oregon that killed eight people. There is a lot more info out there on it if you Google "Ray DeFord"

                  http://portlandcrime.blogspot.com/20...-part-one.html

                  http://portlandcrime.blogspot.com/20...-part-two.html

                  http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/SFM/docs/C...orksJuly06.pdf

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                  • #10
                    http://www.nfpa.org/categoryList.asp...e%20statistics

                    Access to some reports requires membership. If you aren't an NFPA member, siomeone in your FD probably is.
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                    • #11
                      http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/31/ny...fire.html?_r=1


                      here is a pretty worst-case-scenario example...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CGITCH View Post

                        My textbook (Fire Officer's Handbook of Tactics), considers single family and two family homes private dwellings. Any more families than that it is considered multiple dwelling.
                        That probably descends from building codes. Most residential building codes have three categories of residences. 1 family, 2 family, and multi family. Each have their own requirements with some differences and some similarities.

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                        • #13
                          These are from a 4-fatality fire in Washington in 1997.

                          Probably 99% of us have the potential to have this fire today.

                          http://www.usfa.dhs.gov/downloads/pd...ons/tr-121.pdf

                          http://www.interfire.org/res_file/pdf/Tr-121.pdf

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by fdny84 View Post
                            a 2 family PD? aaaah, its late, wasn't seeing the sarcasm!!!
                            Exactly...

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