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    Indy Fire Merger Raises Diversity Concerns
    Some worry incoming firefighters will thwart efforts at the Indianapolis Fire Department.


    Story by theindychannel.com
    ..INDIANAPOLIS

    --


    The Indianapolis Fire Department is facing questions about how it plans to maintain diversity while absorbing several surrounding departments.

    Franklin Township on Thursday became the fourth township to merge with IFD since 2007, bringing 92 firefighters into the fold, 6News' Derrik Thomas reported.

    But some have raised concerns about the lack of diversity in several of the townships set to join the city department.

    In Franklin Township, 82 of the firefighters are white men, four are African-American men, one is a Hispanic man and four are white women.

    "We're marching back in time, as opposed to pressing forward, which is not a good attribute for a so-called world-class city," said IFD Lt. Brian White, who is African-American and a 19-year veteran. "The city is not homogeneous with regards to race, therefore why shouldn't its police and fire department be represented across the board in a fair and equitable fashion?"

    Current numbers show white men make up 79 percent of IFD, while African-American men make up 14.4 percent and white women make up 4.4 percent.

    IFD spokeswoman Capt. Rita Burris said the department plans to aggressively recruit minorities going forward as the mergers continue.

    "It's not an easy fix. We can't change the demographics on the individual townships," she said. "We welcome them into our department, but it's something we are addressing and looking forward to fixing."

    Three or four more township departments are expected to merge with IFD.

    The NAACP filed suit against the city last year questioning hiring and promotion practices of both the fire and police departments.

    Copyright 2010 by
    TheIndyChannel.com
    All rights reserved.
    This material may not be published,
    broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


    Same BS everywhere I guess.

    Funny how "judged on the content of their character, not the color of their skin" doesn't seem to carry the same tune anymore.

    The demographics inside the City of Memphis is 33% white, with most areas of the city being below 20%. That makes white people the minority and therefore there, you would think that there would be opposite affirmitive action put into place, but somehow diversity doesn't seem to include white people.

    **** My original demographic info was only for 1 zip code in Memphis, not the entire city. I have made the necessary changes.
    Last edited by MemphisE34a; 07-03-2010, 08:49 PM.
    RK
    cell #901-494-9437

    Management is making sure things are done right. Leadership is doing the right thing. The fire service needs alot more leaders and a lot less managers.

    "Everyone goes home" is the mantra for the pussification of the modern, American fire service.


    Comments made are my own. They do not represent the official position or opinion of the Fire Department or the City for which I am employed. In fact, they are normally exactly the opposite.

  • #2
    Originally posted by MemphisE34a

    Copyright 2010 by
    TheIndyChannel.com
    All rights reserved.
    This material may not be published,
    broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
    Oooops......
    I'm the one Fire and Rescue calls, when they need to be Rescued.

    Originally posted by EastKyFF
    "Firemens gets antsies. Theys wants to goes to fires. Sometimeses they haves to waits."

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    • #3
      Originally posted by MemphisE34a View Post
      Indy Fire Merger Raises Diversity Concerns
      Some worry incoming firefighters will thwart efforts at the Indianapolis Fire Department.


      Story by theindychannel.com
      ..INDIANAPOLIS

      --


      The Indianapolis Fire Department is facing questions about how it plans to maintain diversity while absorbing several surrounding departments.

      Franklin Township on Thursday became the fourth township to merge with IFD since 2007, bringing 92 firefighters into the fold, 6News' Derrik Thomas reported.

      But some have raised concerns about the lack of diversity in several of the townships set to join the city department.

      In Franklin Township, 82 of the firefighters are white men, four are African-American men, one is a Hispanic man and four are white women.

      "We're marching back in time, as opposed to pressing forward, which is not a good attribute for a so-called world-class city," said IFD Lt. Brian White, who is African-American and a 19-year veteran. "The city is not homogeneous with regards to race, therefore why shouldn't its police and fire department be represented across the board in a fair and equitable fashion?"

      Current numbers show white men make up 79 percent of IFD, while African-American men make up 14.4 percent and white women make up 4.4 percent.

      IFD spokeswoman Capt. Rita Burris said the department plans to aggressively recruit minorities going forward as the mergers continue.

      "It's not an easy fix. We can't change the demographics on the individual townships," she said. "We welcome them into our department, but it's something we are addressing and looking forward to fixing."

      Three or four more township departments are expected to merge with IFD.

      The NAACP filed suit against the city last year questioning hiring and promotion practices of both the fire and police departments.

      Copyright 2010 by
      TheIndyChannel.com
      All rights reserved.
      This material may not be published,
      broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


      Same BS everywhere I guess.

      Funny how "judged on the content of their character, not the color of their skin" doesn't seem to carry the same tune anymore.

      The demographics inside the City of Memphis is 16% white. That makes white people the minority and therefore there, you would think that there would be opposite affirmitive action put into place, but somehow diversity doesn't seem to include white people.
      Bingo!!!!!
      ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
      Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

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      • #4
        Originally posted by FIREMECH1 View Post
        Oooops......
        You know what, the story came from the front page of Firehouse. If they don't like it in the forums, they can sue me.
        RK
        cell #901-494-9437

        Management is making sure things are done right. Leadership is doing the right thing. The fire service needs alot more leaders and a lot less managers.

        "Everyone goes home" is the mantra for the pussification of the modern, American fire service.


        Comments made are my own. They do not represent the official position or opinion of the Fire Department or the City for which I am employed. In fact, they are normally exactly the opposite.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
          Bingo!!!!!
          Agreed. What a crock of crap.
          Career Firefighter
          Volunteer Captain

          -Professional in Either Role-

          Originally posted by Rescue101
          I don't mind fire rolling over my head. I just don't like it rolling UNDER my a**.

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          • #6
            I hope nobody is truly surprised...(sarcasm/)
            I guess the economy, unemployment rate, crime, foreclosures, or any other of the miladies affecting the rest of the country must not be impacting Indy as this is a concern.
            My posts reflect my views and opinions, not the organization I work for or my IAFF local. Some of which they may not agree. I.A.C.O.J. member
            "I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
            George Mason
            Co-author of the Second Amendment
            during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788
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            • #7
              IFD has worked very had to racially balance their dept to reflect their community. Whether that is the right or wrong thing to do is not the question, the best candidate should be hired regardless of race, ethnicity or sex. But I digress... IFD already has a plan to execute aggressive hiring campaigns for minority candidates once they start hiring again (which is currently on hold due to the mergers and economy). However, they can't control the racial make-up the other local depts at the time of the mergers. They can't layoff numerous tenured white FFs only to hire minority recruits. If they want to do that due to natural attrition, that's fine. But for the NAACP to file suit is just silly.

              As a whole, Indianapolis itself is, according to the census, about 67% white and 25% black. As a state, Indiana is 88% white and 9% black.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GTRider245 View Post
                Agreed. What a crock of crap.
                Agreed.....
                Get the first line into operation.

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                • #9
                  PC run amok. Just bring 'em in and worry about restoring "balance" later...
                  Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

                  Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

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                  • #10
                    Hard to believe some people still have this mentality. It's hard to hire people based on demographics if they don't apply for the job or can't make it through the hiring process. Sometimes, the ones hired find out the "job" isn't for them and they quit.

                    What's next? Each position on the apparatus has to represent the demographics? (i.e. african-american captain, female engineer, caucasian firefighter and hispanic paramedic) Didn't New Haven just go through this? (promotonal process, not hiring. But it still revolves around minorities/demographics)

                    Ironic how the article refers to blacks as "african-americans" but refers to the men/women as "whites". If we're going to be politically correct, shouldn't they be "caucasian"?

                    I applaud IFD for being progressive and merging with other depts. They (IFD) are fortunate to be able to do this in such economic times and some personnel still find things to bitch about.

                    Don't get me wrong, I'm not racist or prejudiced. Just tired of seeing this as a foothold for jobs/promotions. JOB = BEST QUALIFIED/CAPABLE PERSON
                    The most important task on the fireground is the one YOU have!

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                    • #11
                      Well.............

                      The line about "Recruiting Minorities" Drives me nuts (Of Course, it's a Short Drive) What the He11 ever happened to Recruiting FIREFIGHTERS??? I am not, in any way, taking a slap at anyone, rather I'm pointing out that the DESIRE to be a Firefighter is more important that Class Status..... There are Members of minority Classes out there who really want to be Firefighters, and I back them 100%. But why are Recruiters wandering thru Shopping Malls and Sports Arenas looking for Candidates for the FD (or VFD, no difference) when people voluntarily contact these FD's HR Offices every day, asking about Testing, etc........ Waste of Time AND MONEY.


                      Sudden Thought: Budget woes?? Close Recruiting Offices, Bet most "Big City Paid Depts" won't notice any decline in Applications.......


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                      • #12
                        Posted my Harve
                        Sudden Thought: Budget woes?? Close Recruiting Offices, Bet most "Big City Paid Depts" won't notice any decline in Applications.......
                        Amen, Harve... Put the firefighters assigned to "recruiting" back on the rigs where they belong.
                        ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
                        Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

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                        • #13
                          It is stuff like this that keeps racism alive and well in this country. When people start dividing up firefighters as white and black and not just firefighters. Racism and it's divide stay around!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by hwoods View Post
                            The line about "Recruiting Minorities" Drives me nuts (Of Course, it's a Short Drive) What the He11 ever happened to Recruiting FIREFIGHTERS??? I am not, in any way, taking a slap at anyone, rather I'm pointing out that the DESIRE to be a Firefighter is more important that Class Status..... There are Members of minority Classes out there who really want to be Firefighters, and I back them 100%. But why are Recruiters wandering thru Shopping Malls and Sports Arenas looking for Candidates for the FD (or VFD, no difference) when people voluntarily contact these FD's HR Offices every day, asking about Testing, etc........ Waste of Time AND MONEY.


                            Sudden Thought: Budget woes?? Close Recruiting Offices, Bet most "Big City Paid Depts" won't notice any decline in Applications.......


                            HAPPY 4TH EVERYONE, STAY SAFE.........
                            Amen my brother.

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                            • #15
                              Back in the day the FDNY wanted two years of college just to apply. Then it was one year. Now it's 15 credits or six months work experience. There's also the backdoor FDNY EMS > FF promotion. These hiring practices, among other things, were created to make the job available to more minorities. I know that many PD's want two to four years college to apply. There's also the whole CPAT thing, watered down as it is for other protected classes.

                              Most of us are in agreement that it should be the best person for the job. the problem is that some of us want to be more equal than others. So, my thought is that it should be mandatory, or at least preferred to have a job related degree to apply for the job. Fire science, emergency management, EMS AAS, kinesiology, CSCS, automotive, something that is useful to the job. No, having a degree doesn't make one God's gift to the fire service, nor does it necessarily mean that they'll do better on the job than their uneducated counterpart. What it does mean is that the applicant can read and write at the college level, can demonstrate the ability to set goals and complete them, and that they'll also bring useful knowledge/skill sets to the job. You'll weed out quite a few that thing a fire job is "cool", "something to try out, just for a goof", those that just want to take the easy road to a good schedule and pay, basically anyone who wants the job to be handed over to them like a mint on a pillow. If you require a degree just to apply, many who wouldn't be worth much to begin with will see that as too much of a hassle and look for something easier. If you want the job so bad, a two year degree shouldn't be too much to ask. Apply one year in or so, and finish up while completing the process. Speed it up with summer classes if you want. Fire science is all online, for crying out loud.

                              Another thing, our pensions, benefits, station life, etc. are under much scrutiny nowadays, with people losing their homes, shirts off their backs and all. We're essentially unskilled labor. Really, many depts only require a GED, a reasonably clean license, and no felonies. At least if you can say that everyone coming in has at least a two year degree, you can make a better case for what you're getting in pay, bennies, retirement, etc.
                              "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who are not." Thomas Jefferson

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