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  • #31
    Originally posted by DeputyMarshal View Post
    Seeing the BRT might prevent a driver from running into the BRT -- it won't necessarily prevent that same driver from running over a far less conspicuous emergency worker. That's why we wear vests.



    Conspicuity research disagrees.



    Blocking vehicles and good situational awareness both help. So does making yourself more conspicuous.

    Seriously, is it all that painful to put on a vest?
    My point is that I want the BRT to be between me and the morons, so they wouldn't see me anyway, at least not until they were passing. Some administrators focus on the vest and not the bigger picture. Maybe if they started yanking drivers licenses and crushing the cars into cubes and sending them to China, just maybe some of these people would get the message about driving safe. I just think it's redundant wearing a vest in a closed area when I have other reflective material on.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by johnsb View Post
      I just think it's redundant wearing a vest in a closed area when I have other reflective material on.
      How closed an area do you have in mind? I've seen drivers go to great lengths to drive around roadblocks and into "closed" areas. Despite our best efforts, there's always at least one idiot out there willing to test your idiot proof scene. The reflective material on bunker gear (if the nature of the incident has you wearing it) is notably less conspicuous than an ANSI traffic vest.

      Ignoring for a moment that we're required to wear them by law anyway, I personally think that the greatly improved conspicuity is well worth the infinitesimal bit of extra effort it takes to put the vest on.
      "Nemo Plus Voluptatis Quam Nos Habant"
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      • #33
        Originally posted by johnsb View Post
        My point is that I want the BRT to be between me and the morons, so they wouldn't see me anyway, at least not until they were passing. Some administrators focus on the vest and not the bigger picture. Maybe if they started yanking drivers licenses and crushing the cars into cubes and sending them to China, just maybe some of these people would get the message about driving safe. I just think it's redundant wearing a vest in a closed area when I have other reflective material on.
        Scarecrow, welcome back!
        I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

        "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

        "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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        • #34
          Originally posted by DeputyMarshal View Post
          How closed an area do you have in mind? I've seen drivers go to great lengths to drive around roadblocks and into "closed" areas. Despite our best efforts, there's always at least one idiot out there willing to test your idiot proof scene. The reflective material on bunker gear (if the nature of the incident has you wearing it) is notably less conspicuous than an ANSI traffic vest.

          Ignoring for a moment that we're required to wear them by law anyway, I personally think that the greatly improved conspicuity is well worth the infinitesimal bit of extra effort it takes to put the vest on.
          So what to you propose for the nozzleman and his backup who are NOT required to wear the vest by law? Do we need to have flaggers for them, to guide the morons around them? Even if you have a jumpsuit covered with LED's, some moron would still try to run you over. (BTW, I'm driving the engine today so I have my vest with me, because my sweat shirt isn't reflective.)

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          • #35
            Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
            Scarecrow, welcome back!
            Okay I guess there's a joke in there somewhere, must've gone over my head.(?)

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            • #36
              Originally posted by johnsb View Post
              So what to you propose for the nozzleman and his backup who are NOT required to wear the vest by law? Do we need to have flaggers for them, to guide the morons around them?
              Not necessarily flaggers but, in addition to blocking off a buffer zone around them as well as practical, somebody should be watching their backs.

              Even if you have a jumpsuit covered with LED's, some moron would still try to run you over.
              Probably true. But that's no reason not to wear a traffic vest anyway.

              (BTW, I'm driving the engine today so I have my vest with me, because my sweat shirt isn't reflective.)
              Everybody on the engine should have a vest with them regardless of what they happen to be wearing today.
              "Nemo Plus Voluptatis Quam Nos Habant"
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              • #37
                Still haven't heard any good reason not to wear a vest....
                I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
                  Still haven't heard any good reason not to wear a vest....
                  It also covers my flashlight and radio on my turnout coat. I know, still not good enough for you. I still believe whoever passed the law owns stock in the reflective vest industry.

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                  • #39
                    "Not necessarily flaggers but, in addition to blocking off a buffer zone around them as well as practical, somebody should be watching their backs."

                    I agree. To me, this is much better protection than a vest.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by johnsb View Post
                      I know, still not good enough for you.
                      You got it...
                      I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                      "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                      "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by johnsb View Post
                        "Not necessarily flaggers but, in addition to blocking off a buffer zone around them as well as practical, somebody should be watching their backs."

                        I agree. To me, this is much better protection than a vest.
                        And all that and wearing the vest too for everyone who doesn't have a specific reason not to wear one is better protection still.
                        "Nemo Plus Voluptatis Quam Nos Habant"
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                        The Code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules.

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                        • #42
                          Call me stupid, but to me, I would like to see Globe, MP, and the others develop the materials in the gear so that they can be ANSI compliant on their own. I don't think that it would be that great of a problem to do so, but I am not a textile engineer. As we are "supposed" to wash our gear any time that it becomes even slightly soiled, it should stay nice and bright.

                          Personally, I would still wear the vest so that I could take the coat off when prudent and still be able to be more visible.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by HuntPA View Post
                            Call me stupid, but to me, I would like to see Globe, MP, and the others develop the materials in the gear so that they can be ANSI compliant on their own. I don't think that it would be that great of a problem to do so, but I am not a textile engineer. As we are "supposed" to wash our gear any time that it becomes even slightly soiled, it should stay nice and bright.

                            Personally, I would still wear the vest so that I could take the coat off when prudent and still be able to be more visible.
                            I hear you... In the summer, I always liked the option to not wear my structural coat if working on the roadway and the gear wasn't needed.
                            I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                            "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                            "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
                              I hear you... In the summer, I always liked the option to not wear my structural coat if working on the roadway and the gear wasn't needed.
                              I like the option of a lighter extrication type suit, lighter but still protects against flash fires and sharp edges. If they could come out with brighter dyes in the nomex or other fire resistant material, then it would make the vest moot.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by johnsb View Post
                                I like the option of a lighter extrication type suit, lighter but still protects against flash fires and sharp edges. If they could come out with brighter dyes in the nomex or other fire resistant material, then it would make the vest moot.
                                Really hate that darn vest, huh?
                                I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                                "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                                "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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