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  • Spencer534
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    Originally posted by jkoby View Post

    Field fires, I wear SCBA & vest.
    Not to get off-topic and not to judge, but you wear your SCBA for field fires? Havent heard of that before, but we may be talking about different types of fields. When I think of fields I imagine an open space with vegetation 1 foot to 3 feet where fire spreads quickly. Is that the same for you? We dont wear SCBA and most of the time dont wear structural gear for those fires.

    As I said, not judging, just interested in the how different departments do things differently.

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  • jkoby
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    Right now, in the back of my SUV is my turn-out gear. On my jacket is a DOT approved vest. Since 90% of my runs are medical/MVA, I just keep my vest on my jacket. That way as soon as I put on my gear, the vest is on and ready to go. I don't see it as something that helps on road situations only. When backing a medic unit into a driveway, it helps the driver see me. When sitting in middle of a dark field with a ATV rider that is down, it helps others locate me & the downed rider.

    Field fires, I wear SCBA & vest. If I'm working a portion of the field, I want the BRT to see me as it comes around the smoke.

    Now, when we get the occasional structure fire, since our vests are velcro/quick remove, I can just rip it off before donning my SCBA.


    I do realize that a vest isn't a cure-all, prevent all. It is another tool to be used appropriately. My feeling on the vest can be summed up by this: If it even increases my safety by 1%, I'm wearing it.

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  • johnsb
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    The more I think about it, the more I think the vests are pretty much useless if you already have turnout gear or a EMS jacket, except when we do the Fill the Boot for MDA. Any other time, The street or road is either shut down or the area I'm working in should be blocked off. I see so many reports of idiots just plowing into trucks and emergency scenes. A vest isn't going to do jack to stop an idiot or drunk driver that can't see a truck lit up like a Christmas tree. I figure if I get hit it will be because of an idiot or because I'm somewhere I shouldn't be. I'd rather the money for vests be spent on bazooka's and we could post a lookout for idiots. Just sayin'

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  • CaptOldTimer
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    Originally posted by emt161 View Post
    W did the job long before SCBAs were out. Were those the good ol' days too?



    If you're going to suggest that the striping on fire-grimed turnout gear is the same striping as a vest that lives in the cab of a truck, there's really no point in debating the issue- you're just clueless.

    It's also not the fact that there IS striping, it's how that striping is arranged. The Class II vests are specifically designed to create the impression of a human form when nothing else is visible except the stripes. Your turnout gear stripes won't do it- assuming they're not covered in soot to begin with.

    His department was probably doing more to protect the members than you might have ever heard of. They had large traffic direction lights on apparatus that ran the major highway(s) in the area which they service, that would be Interstate 95 and what is known as the mixing bowl in his area, that is Interstate 95, Interstate 395 and Interstate 495 and everyone is running late at any time of the day.

    Even now they have widen those roads and changed some patterns, there still is more traffic running through that area any day of the week than on any other Interstate in this country.

    The Chief back then was Warren Isman a very pro active Chief in firefighter safety and well as apparatus development. They ran E-One Hush's long before other departments had them, to get that engine noise away from the crew area!

    Any time I am going to Baltimore or north of there, I cut off I-95 and hit US 301 until I get to I-695 in Baltimore, to avoid that backup. Rush hours begin at 4 AM and goes to 10 PM every day and traffic can be backed up for miles on miles.

    As he said we used what we had before the vest came out, because there wasn't any back in the earlier days of some of us.

    By the way, we had SCBA's back in the 1950's!

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  • kevinAnd
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    Originally posted by BW21 View Post
    Personally....

    If the people on the road driving don't see a giant fire engine with its lights on they probably won't see a vest.

    Anyways....
    The general rule on them is wear them anytime you're working in the road unless doing extrication and its getting in the way or doing any fire suppression... So I'm going to keep wearing mine
    It isn't the firetruck I am afraid of getting hit. It is the safety personel that isn't as noticeable especialy with the distractions of lights etc...

    Personally I vote for vests unless the coats with safety stripes are clearly noticable.

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  • johnsb
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    I prefer to wear either a turnout coat or EMS style reflective jacket. I generally would only wear the vest when it's warm out and I only have my duty uniform on. I see way too many guys with the vest on during fire suppression, I don't know what that's about. Personally, I think vests are generally overkill and ineffective. Setting up proper safety zones and blocking or even shutting down a road is going to save more lives. If they hit you and you weren't wearing a vest, you were probably where you shouldn't be, or they already missed a dozen other warning signs and would've hit you anyway.

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  • bcjack
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    While I have not personally seen or read about a denial/reduction of worker's comp benefits for not wearing your PPE (including a vest), the way the insurance business is going, there will be a time, (sooner than later) when you will be held accountable for your personal failure to use all of the appropriate PPE for a given situation.

    Insurance companies have, for years, been apportioning responsibility for claims as have the courts. It is just a matter of time before governmental entities (your employers) and their worker's comp carriers (the insurance companies) begin to do the same.

    The idea that YOU are responsible for your own safety has been out there for a long, long time, and we should take that to heart and use the safety gear we are provided to keep ourselves as protected as possible.

    There will come a time when you will see reduced benefits, and/or the denial of benefits for on-the-job injuries/death because YOU contributed to your injuries/death due to a failure to use the appropriate PPE.

    Our work takes us into hazardous situations on a regular basis, and we owe it to our brother and sister firefighters, our employers, the community we serve, and especially our families, to go home healthy and in one piece at the end of EVERY shift.

    everyonegoeshome.com

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  • emt161
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    Originally posted by Jonnee View Post
    We did this business long before vest were out.
    W did the job long before SCBAs were out. Were those the good ol' days too?

    We had turnout gear, like today, that had reflective stripes on it.
    If you're going to suggest that the striping on fire-grimed turnout gear is the same striping as a vest that lives in the cab of a truck, there's really no point in debating the issue- you're just clueless.

    It's also not the fact that there IS striping, it's how that striping is arranged. The Class II vests are specifically designed to create the impression of a human form when nothing else is visible except the stripes. Your turnout gear stripes won't do it- assuming they're not covered in soot to begin with.

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  • emt161
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    Originally posted by BKDRAFT View Post
    Sure is funny how you flip things around.

    That was the original argument of emt161. I was told benefits will be denied to me if I was killed on a highway without a vest.

    Show me an incident where that has happened or something similarly has happened.
    Yep, that's exactly the attitude the fire service should adopt.

    "It hasn't happened yet, therefore it won't."

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  • Harris543
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    In my department....county we have to wear the bright yellow vests. Fire, EMS, and PD are required to wear them but we dont always. Its really just a pain in the *** because my department has bright yellow trucks and we always block off the whole road or if the highway block off all lanes but 1
    Last edited by Harris543; 02-24-2011, 12:51 PM.

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  • BFDFirefighter418
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    vest

    i agree if there a mva or some thing that has to do with the road firefighters should wear there reflective jacket or vest

    i even got my own vest but its orange and in a few days im going out to buy a large yellow vest for my turnout gear jacket to me safety first idc what people think when they look at me

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  • Jonnee
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    We did this business long before vest were out. We had turnout gear, like today, that had reflective stripes on it. In fact we used the FDNY Style for years, until a newer Chief came on board and changed things.

    Park the apparatus to block traffic that is approaching so that it does run into you or the operation going on.

    We get very good cooperation from LEO's in Virginia.

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  • Jasper 45
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    Originally posted by bcjack View Post
    Remember..."Everyone Goes Home"

    "Complacency kills" is a much better phrase.

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  • FireInTheShire
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    We are required to wear a department issued 6-point break away vest any time we are on any roadway unless wereing an SCBA.

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  • bcjack
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    Stop all the whining and excuse making and wear the vest. Every little bit of safety gear make it a little better for you. Remember..."Everyone Goes Home"

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