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Mask fogging while on RIT standby

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  • #61
    I've got to agree with those who say mask off. It only takes a few seconds to put your face piece on. Sometimes slowing down is speeding up. Too many guys want to just rush into everything.

    Like others have said, RIT should be pro-active; ground ladders, forcing exterior doors & gates, removing fence sections if needed. And, it's true that RIT may be needed outside. I've seen is quite a few times. Ice is not ones friend on the fire ground. Saw a chief slip on the ice and break his leg so bad it ended his career.

    Keep in mind that RIT is a dynamic, ever changing resource. Just because your dept trains for it a certain way doesn't mean the conditions on the fire ground will allow for it. You might find you need to activate two teams at the same time, reassign a company as an additional RIT, position a RIT engine company with a line to support the search team, or even fill out an additional alarm assignment as RIT. The situation determines.

    I'll add this too; get yourself in a crucial RIT situation where one of your brothers is actually in trouble, and the sound of a PASS device going off will have a different meaning to you forever. When you're crawling though the black and the heat that sound transforms from the annoyance of someone not turning their bottle off to something more sinister. If I never hear another PASS sounding ever again, it'll still be too soon.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Beach Head View Post
      And as you should know, being a "Chief" and all, the RIT team should always have their masks on while on standby.
      That's it huh, end of story? And who professes this is the "best way"? In my view this totally impairs the RIT's ability to continually size-up the fireground to the best of their abilities. How long does masking up take that we'll ignore/hamper the our best sense while standing by? Maybe youi've spent to much time in the sun on the beach?

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      • #63
        Son of a Beach

        Originally posted by Beach Head View Post
        Ok I'm going to reply to this and just ignore you because you just seem like the type of person who thinks no one else knows what they are talking about and anything someone says contrary to your opinion is blasphemy. The whole point of a RIT or RIC (RAPID Intervention Team/Crew) is to have a group of people ready to go in at any second if a crew is trapped/compromised. So absolutely 20 seconds at a fire matters. We are taught that every second matters during the stages of a fire. Whether it be the chance of survivability for a person or the structure. Not to mention, I've never been on a RIT team where I was fully packed up for 30 straight minutes. RIT teams are only needed when crews are working inside of a structure, you are looking at this all wrong. Your argument of being fully geared while on standby wears the crew out makes no sense. They are far better off fully geared and on standby than the crews inside the burning structure. Everyone at a fire scene is going to get fatigued, especially in 90 degree weather. It's just a fact of life.
        And some wonder why we still average 100 LODD's a year? Yeah, yeah, most of them have little to do with the fireground, but it's the attitude and silly "logic" that is pervasive in our ranks that causes far too many injuries, close-calls and fatalities.
        Last edited by RFDACM02; 05-04-2012, 12:12 PM. Reason: my keyboard caused misspelled words

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        • #64
          I see the mask issue in my area frequently, and not just in RIT standby. In my dept we've done a good job of getting our members to leave their facepieces off until they are actually preparing to enter the IDLH. As far as RIT goes, I agree with RFDACM02, in most fires the primary function of the RIT company is to continually assess the building and the fire. RIT is a dynamic assignment, the RIT team should know as much about what's going on inside as the IC and command staff do, with a focus on prevention of the need to actually deploy the RIT team! You can't do that being a lawn shepherd with a facepiece on and accomplish those tasks to full effectiveness, I don't care who you are. If you have trained properly with your SCBA and are "combat ready", you should be able to mask up in a matter of seconds, even with your gloves on. Also, that extra few seconds gives you a quick "reset".

          Our culture has started to get "RIT happy" and we forget that 75% of their job is PREVENTION.

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          • #65
            I have to say that we do not mask up as the RIC team... We have full gear on and are ready to go to work if need. We hope not!
            As the RIC team we do have some work we do while on "stand-by". We do not just stand there by the truck and wait. We will go around the building and see if there are any hazards for the fire ground. Examples are screen doors still on the house, bars over windows, change in fire conditions, opening up egress doors or windows, throwing ladders for firefighter egress, etc. We look at ourselves as kind of a safety officer on the fire ground. Right wrong or indeferent... It works for us. I have seen where we have taken bars off of windows and that window being used as a egress point an we were all happy we got the bars off of the window!
            The only thing that I can think of is NO MASK! I know that did not really answere your question but that is what i would have to say.

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            • #66
              I feel the RIT FAST RIC team members should absolutely remained unmasked. Being masked/ hooded up causes them to be hotter causing them to sweat therefore dehydration becomes an unneeded risk..... Also a few breaths worth the air every few minutes could turn your half hour bottle that last 20 Minutes? Into 18 minutes so the 30 seconds you "saved" become a minute and a half loss..... And I would NEVER put something on my mask that is not recommended by its manufacturer, but then again it's only keeping you alive...... Just my opinion.....

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