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  • How can we not?

    One classroom visit and this impact was made. 30 minutes a day, week, or month, it can be done. It's up to us:

    http://www.firehouse.com/video/12185612/girl-thanks

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    Time. Money. Staffing. Training.

    Again 1 30 minute classroom presentation x ___ number of classrooms. And yes, for some departments, that one visit is a challenge.

    Again, my job is prevention. I teach prevention for the National Fire Academy and LSU Fire Training. But that being said, I fully understand the challenges, and for some departments, it's a challenge, for any number of valid reasons.

    Yes, for most it's doable. For some, it may require a change in culture, leadership and membership rules. And for some, it's going to require less laziness, and it's going to mean less time on the couch and a little more motivation. It may require attending some training. It may require spending a few bucks.

    But again, for some, it's going to be a challenge and may not be all that easy.
    Train to fight the fires you fight.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
      Time. Money. Staffing. Training.

      Again 1 30 minute classroom presentation x ___ number of classrooms. And yes, for some departments, that one visit is a challenge.

      Again, my job is prevention. I teach prevention for the National Fire Academy and LSU Fire Training. But that being said, I fully understand the challenges, and for some departments, it's a challenge, for any number of valid reasons.

      Yes, for most it's doable. For some, it may require a change in culture, leadership and membership rules. And for some, it's going to require less laziness, and it's going to mean less time on the couch and a little more motivation. It may require attending some training. It may require spending a few bucks.

      But again, for some, it's going to be a challenge and may not be all that easy.
      Yes it is a challenge for many. No it is not easy. But yes it can be done. One classroom a year can make a difference.

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      • #4
        Sure, not disagreeing that one classroom a year could make a difference.

        In my district, it would take over 90 years to cover all of my classrooms at that rate. Maybe, just maybe I would hit that one classroom where there would be that one student that had a fire that year, but statistically, not likely.

        Again, not disagreeing that fire prevention and public education is critical. It's been my passion in the fire service for the last 25 plus years. That being said, I believe in managed programs, not just a random one classroom per year.
        Train to fight the fires you fight.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
          Again, not disagreeing that fire prevention and public education is critical. It's been my passion in the fire service for the last 25 plus years. That being said, I believe in managed programs, not just a random one classroom per year.
          I agree. While I think a structured program is the absolute best, I also agree many fire departments do not have the resources to do that. So if they can only hit one classroom a week, month, quarter, etc. then take it. Even if it is just their kid's class. Do what you can but do something.

          One of the problems we face, I believe, in the fire service when it comes to prevention is many firefighters and departments feel you need big elaborate programs full of time and commitment. Now I think that is best of course, but that is not needed. A simple conversation on the bumper of a fire truck at a community event is also fire prevention. Not the best of course, but it is something, and certainly better than what we are doing now.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Daniel Byrne View Post

            One of the problems we face, I believe, in the fire service when it comes to prevention is many firefighters and departments feel you need big elaborate programs full of time and commitment.
            If you can get anyone interested in doing it at all. I've found that the education piece only works when those involved want to be and believe in education/prevention. Many firefighters are disinterested at best and some would rather go to fires than not, so why prevent them. Heck we have firefighters helping argue against sprinklers! Troubling.

            The above being said, it takes find a few people who believe to start something, it will grow if they are supported. Inaction is not an answer.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by RFDACM02 View Post
              If you can get anyone interested in doing it at all. I've found that the education piece only works when those involved want to be and believe in education/prevention. Many firefighters are disinterested at best and some would rather go to fires than not, so why prevent them. Heck we have firefighters helping argue against sprinklers! Troubling.

              The above being said, it takes find a few people who believe to start something, it will grow if they are supported. Inaction is not an answer.
              EXACTLY! WELL SAID! It is very sad that this is the case. If you joined the fire service to help people, namely by protecting the from fire, then prevention should be part of that. This also comes back to our image and who we attract to the job. Not saying that those who serve are less dedicated because they aren't interested, they just don't see prevention as a part of that. This is where the fire service has failed because the Conference on Fire Prevention in 1947 should have set that tone.

              But you are correct again that all it takes is a few people who believe, and want to start something new, to grow it. That has been the basis of all I preach and write about.

              Awesome!!!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Daniel Byrne View Post
                EXACTLY! WELL SAID! It is very sad that this is the case. If you joined the fire service to help people, namely by protecting the from fire, then prevention should be part of that. This also comes back to our image and who we attract to the job. Not saying that those who serve are less dedicated because they aren't interested, they just don't see prevention as a part of that. This is where the fire service has failed because the Conference on Fire Prevention in 1947 should have set that tone.

                But you are correct again that all it takes is a few people who believe, and want to start something new, to grow it. That has been the basis of all I preach and write about.

                Awesome!!!
                Agree ..... To an extent.

                In great part it takes the department leadership to agree. If you have a group of firefighter and/or officers, and the leadership does not allow them to go to the schools or deliver program, their enthusiasm will likely be squashed. And yes, I have heard first-hand of that occurring more than once, especially in career situations where the leadership has complete control of what they will do and when they will do it while on shift.

                Why would leadership oppose prevention? Any number of reasons including the simple fact that often the value ... and the budget ... of the department is judged by those in city hall on the number of fires they respond to. Some Chiefs may believe that the public perception of the department is based on responding to, not preventing, fires. Tied into that is fewer fires .. reduced media profile. maybe the Chief believes that it's the fire department's job to put out fires, not teach. Or the simple fact that we never really teach our line members how to teach.

                Or maybe it's all about control. Any number of reasons that may throttle those few members from doing prevention.

                In a volunteer situation, a member taking the bull by the horns may have fewer obstacles, as they are actually using their free (unpaid) time but some of them still persist include training and resources.

                So in a way, it's more about what the leadership believes re: prevention than what the members believe.

                Again, should we be doing it? Yup. And as you said, there are very few excuses.
                Train to fight the fires you fight.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
                  Agree ..... To an extent.

                  In great part it takes the department leadership to agree. If you have a group of firefighter and/or officers, and the leadership does not allow them to go to the schools or deliver program, their enthusiasm will likely be squashed. And yes, I have heard first-hand of that occurring more than once, especially in career situations where the leadership has complete control of what they will do and when they will do it while on shift.

                  Why would leadership oppose prevention? Any number of reasons including the simple fact that often the value ... and the budget ... of the department is judged by those in city hall on the number of fires they respond to. Some Chiefs may believe that the public perception of the department is based on responding to, not preventing, fires. Tied into that is fewer fires .. reduced media profile. maybe the Chief believes that it's the fire department's job to put out fires, not teach. Or the simple fact that we never really teach our line members how to teach.
                  Well I would like to believe that Fire Chief's not allowing their personnel to visit classrooms is the extreme exception. If Fire Chiefs don't buy into prevention they should just for the PR value. If they do not allow that I am willing to bet they will not be a Chief for too long. But officers squashing motivation is a killer without a doubt. Firefighters being squashed should just focus on doing the right thing for the right reasons, and why I post in the forums as I do... to give those zealots support. Just bide their time until the right officer comes in.

                  If city hall is judging on the number of fires then that is the place to start. They plethora of information out their today on the value of CRR, and plenty of classes (for free) from the NFA that teach how to do that. Won't be easy. Won't be over night. But you have to take that first step. One thing all fire departments have to start doing is working with the media. There are 1001 ways to get your department in the paper, you again just have to take that step. EMI in Emmetsburg offers free classes, and there are classes on line, and classes locally that can help start a PIO program. Heck just ask your reporters for help, they are always looking to make connections.

                  Budget shouldn't be a concern for those small programs and classroom visits, especially for paid departments. Would just cost the little bit of fuel money.

                  It isn't easy and a long, long road, but again.... you have to take that first step.

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