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  • #16
    Originally posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
    And why I am reading it , id because I have been doing fire prevention since 1971 - I just don't rag on people like how a reformed alcoholic
    Put words in your mouth? Rag on people? Please explain.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
      Don't put effing words in my mouth -- never said ignore it ---
      No I said that if what I suggest does not apply to you or your department then you (any reader) can simply ignore what I said. And if you post a reason why it would not work, in the interest of information exchange, if I feel there is a solution or an alternate way of viewing it I will offer it, and again if that does not apply or will not work for you then you can ignore it. That's kind of what moderators do.

      I never said you stated ignore it.

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      • #18
        And yet when people say it won't work in the area and explain why, you still keep going on them that they need to think outside the box, or need to find a way to do it. Who decided yours is the right way and all the rest of us "just don't try hard enough"?

        Open discussion is just that...an open discussion.
        "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Bones42 View Post
          And yet when people say it won't work in the area and explain why, you still keep going on them that they need to think outside the box, or need to find a way to do it. Who decided yours is the right way and all the rest of us "just don't try hard enough"?

          Open discussion is just that...an open discussion.
          Read what you just posted.... and think about you just posted and said. Sounds like encouragement? Sounds like positive reinforcement? Sounds like support? Sounds like help?

          Yes, pub-ed, prevention, etc. do require "outside the box" thinking. Such thinking is what makes any program (prevention or not) successful when one faces and obstacle and challenge.

          Yes, it's an open discussion, for both parties. And as a moderator it’s what you’re supposed to do to continue the discussion, generate out of the box thinking, get ideas, thoughts, perspectives, that you may not get elsewhere. This is what forums are supposed to be for.

          If what I say does not reply. Ignore. As a moderator if I disagree and feel there is another thought, idea, perspective, then I post it.

          That's how this all works. Would not be doing my job as a moderator if someone posts a problem and I throw my hands up too and simply say "yeah, your screwed, can't be done." What good would that do for anyone, whether in a forum, or anywhere in life. Especially in a brotherhood where I care about my service, my people, and those we serve, and not only has my department been very successful in this area, but numerous people from numerous departments have been as well.

          Sometimes Bones, people like misery, and want that reenforcement, and they come to the fourms and post under pseudonyms to express their frustriation and want company. Not saying that is the case here at all, but again as a moderator it is my job to not allow that to distract or get sucked into that.

          So let's move on....

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          • #20
            Just WHY do you have to bring the fact that you are a MODERATOR into the discussion ? is that supposed to somehow validate your opinion ? I love how you thinly veil an insult to bones and then "not saying that is the case here at all" - Since you are moderator --how about you change the name to "DANIEL's pulpit ?
            ?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
              Just WHY do you have to bring the fact that you are a MODERATOR into the discussion ? is that supposed to somehow validate your opinion ? I love how you thinly veil an insult to bones and then "not saying that is the case here at all" - Since you are moderator --how about you change the name to "DANIEL's pulpit ?
              Because the moderator's job is to get discussions going and encourage different view points, ideas, opinions, thoughts, etc. Thus I brought it up to illustrate why I continue to offer differing view points and thoughts in the hopes of explaining to you why I am doing what I am doing, which I see is a waste of effort. Nothing here validates my opinion and never said it did thus I have said "if it doesn't apply ignore it" NOT "if you don't agree you're wrong." BIG difference.

              Not going to exchange insults with you. Read my posts and contrast them with yours and take a real hard look at who thinks their opinion is validated or supersedes another's.

              Again.... let's move on.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
                Just WHY do you have to bring the fact that you are a MODERATOR into the discussion ? is that supposed to somehow validate your opinion ? I love how you thinly veil an insult to bones and then "not saying that is the case here at all" - Since you are moderator --how about you change the name to "DANIEL's pulpit ?
                Sounds like Cartman from South Park.....you must respect ma authoritay!


                I find it interesting that many many members have begged firehouse to allow moderators and have all been told no, there are no user/moderators.....yet they made this 1? *** I remembered now, you are a contributor to the Magazine which can give you the Moderator status - my mistake ***

                Kind of fits in with the current state of firehouse.com
                Last edited by Bones42; 01-11-2016, 09:09 AM. Reason: Magazine
                "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Bones42 View Post
                  Sounds like Cartman from South Park.....you must respect ma authoritay!


                  I find it interesting that many many members have begged firehouse to allow moderators and have all been told no, there are no user/moderators.....yet they made this 1? *** I remembered now, you are a contributor to the Magazine which can give you the Moderator status - my mistake ***

                  Kind of fits in with the current state of firehouse.com
                  I think your posts make it perfectly clear why you're not a moderator. No you do not have to be a contributor. Your option to come here. If you are that unhappy, and you really are, then don't come here. It's that simple.

                  Again you want to exchange insults and I will not do that.

                  Moving on.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Daniel Byrne View Post
                    I think your posts make it perfectly clear why you're not a moderator. No you do not have to be a contributor. Your option to come here. If you are that unhappy, and you really are, then don't come here. It's that simple.

                    Again you want to exchange insults and I will not do that.

                    Moving on.
                    finally I agree with you ---- you do not want to EXCHANGE insults , you want to throw out thinly veiled insults but you can dish it out, but you cant take it. So , if I understand correctly , if someone posts a differing opinion, we should just leave. Quick question , is that the policy of Firehouse AND their advertisers ?
                    ?

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                    • #25
                      I hate to get in the middle of this, but ........

                      Both sides here have some valid points.

                      While I understand your passion Daniel, at times you do come off pushy. The reality is that there are departments where for a variety of reasons including time, manpower or just the nature of the area that they serve they either are not able to or traditionally simply not have been heavily involved in community outreach and public education, and likely either are simply not able to or have no plans to change that in the future. And that's ok. And that is coming from somebody who believes that those types of programs are critical. But I also understand that there are places where that simply can't happen because the staff - either career, combo or volunteer - is stretched right now and any type of mission expansion is certainly not realistic. I know many places that I teach for LSU that the vollie staff is barely holding on to the true core functions- training, maintenance and runs - and any type of community awareness beyond what they do now is simply not likely. That is the reality is many places, and as much as I don't like it, that's reality.

                      One the other side of the coin - Slack, Bones and the Captn' - I understand where he is coming from. Is he pushy? Yes. maybe even somewhat confrontational? Ya. But he is passionate and has beliefs, and he is simply offering alternatives. Could he be a little softer? Yes. But he is offering options to others that may be in the situations that you describe.

                      At the end of the day, department culture and department resources will guide where you go in terms of community awareness and prevention. Understand that Daniel is trying to advocate, and I don't believe that he means to offend, but often people with passion sometimes come off that way. I know as I have been told the same thing.
                      Train to fight the fires you fight.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
                        finally I agree with you ---- you do not want to EXCHANGE insults , you want to throw out thinly veiled insults but you can dish it out, but you cant take it. So , if I understand correctly , if someone posts a differing opinion, we should just leave. Quick question , is that the policy of Firehouse AND their advertisers ?
                        Nope that's not what I said at all. Please read my posts for clarification as to what I have said numerous - numerous - numerous - numerous - numerous times. Hope this helps you out in every way it can. I do strongly encourage you to contact Firehouse.com for their policy and for complaints.

                        Again.... moving on...

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                        • #27
                          And all this started by simply congratulating a volunteer department on a great program, the importance of personal relationships, and wishing everyone a Merry Christmas.

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