Leader

Collapse

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

International starting problems

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • International starting problems

    I have a 2007 International 4400 commercial cab KME. I love the engine.

    However, it has a starting issue. Sometimes it will start fine, but
    increasingly one needs to hold the ignition switch into the start position,
    and jump the two large terminals on the starter solenoid on the starter.

    As soon as you tap the contacts, the solenoid pulls in, and cranks the truck,
    you don't need to hold the screwdriver across the contacts till it starts.

    Once it starts it is fine. When you turn the switch into the start position, it
    activates all the normal engine lights, buzzers etc that normally activate when
    turning it to start.

    Solenoid?

    I just want to make sure before we replace that beast - not only is it tough to get
    to, it is I am sure expensive. With only a yearly budget to run the entire department of
    $6,500.00 I can't afford much.

  • #2
    From the sound of it, it sounds like the solenoid has taken a dump on you. If you are able to start it by crossing the two fields, and it starts, then the starter its self is fine. Replace the solenoid.

    FM1
    I'm the one Fire and Rescue calls, when they need to be Rescued.

    Originally posted by EastKyFF
    "Firemens gets antsies. Theys wants to goes to fires. Sometimeses they haves to waits."

    Comment


    • #3
      Originally posted by LVFD301 View Post
      I have a 2007 International 4400 commercial cab KME. I love the engine.

      However, it has a starting issue. Sometimes it will start fine, but
      increasingly one needs to hold the ignition switch into the start position,
      and jump the two large terminals on the starter solenoid on the starter.

      As soon as you tap the contacts, the solenoid pulls in, and cranks the truck,
      you don't need to hold the screwdriver across the contacts till it starts.

      Once it starts it is fine. When you turn the switch into the start position, it
      activates all the normal engine lights, buzzers etc that normally activate when
      turning it to start.

      Solenoid?

      I just want to make sure before we replace that beast - not only is it tough to get
      to, it is I am sure expensive. With only a yearly budget to run the entire department of
      $6,500.00 I can't afford much.


      Do you have an IH Dealer near you? Contact them about this. There may be a recall on it!!
      Stay Safe and Well Out There....

      Always remembering 9-11-2001 and 343+ Brothers

      Comment


      • #4
        LV: I'll take a guess that you've already pulled the cables off and cleaned all the connections.
        If not try that first. a little corrosion can cause an intermittent issue as you describe. If not the solenoid probably has a small crack in the coil causing an intermittent fault that can be "shocked "into working by jumping the terminals. Solenoid shouldn't be too expensive for that starter.

        Where's TC when you need him. He's the king of cornbinders.

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by islandfire03 View Post
          Where's TC when you need him. He's the king of cornbinders.
          Out working on a hay baler or a light bulb.

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by chiefengineer11 View Post
            Out working on a hay baler or a light bulb.
            YOU RANG? Check(and CLEAN)all connections. Do voltage drop testing across ALL related connections INCLUDING Grounds and junction blocks. See a few junction block problems,TONS of connection problems and a FEW solenoid problems. Get a push button mechanics starter bypass(pushbutton with two wires and two alligator clips). If it CONSISTANTLY operates correctly with the bypass,I'd be looking at the Ign switch to solenoid initiate circuit. T.C.

            Comment


            • #7
              Another words, put a test light on the small wire going to the solenoid and see if it lights up when you try to start it. If it does, then check the voltage to that same wire. If it is 12.5v or more, then it is not in the ignition circuit.

              Replace solenoid.

              If you don't get any power at the small wire, then you'll need to back trace the small wire to your starter switch, and then your ignition switch.


              FM1
              Last edited by FIREMECH1; 09-18-2010, 03:11 AM. Reason: For Clarity
              I'm the one Fire and Rescue calls, when they need to be Rescued.

              Originally posted by EastKyFF
              "Firemens gets antsies. Theys wants to goes to fires. Sometimeses they haves to waits."

              Comment


              • #8
                Thanks, will advise...

                Comment


                • #9
                  Soo.. here I sit with a mechanics remote starter switch hooked up to the solenoid, wire tied under the hood. Got a run with that engine, you clip the other end of the switch to the 12 VDC stud, turn the ign switch to run, and hit the remote starter switch. Unhook, and go on the call.

                  It is an intermittent issue. The ign switch always has 13 volts at all contacts when in the start position, but it is not making it to the solenoid.

                  I live with 12 volt wiring. My installers do LOTS of police package upfitting. This wiring harness on this international scares me. Very hard to trace.

                  Just as an aside - if you hold the ign switch to start, then apply power, the truck starts
                  to turn over, then the starter quickly stops and it goes through the normal startup.

                  Tomorrow will be another day of trying to trace. Sure wish I had a wiring diagram. What fun.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Have you used a volt meter to check that you are in fact getting at least 12.5 volts to the small wire that energizes the solenoid???

                    Don't use a test light. It will light up with voltage down to 6 volts.

                    FM1
                    I'm the one Fire and Rescue calls, when they need to be Rescued.

                    Originally posted by EastKyFF
                    "Firemens gets antsies. Theys wants to goes to fires. Sometimeses they haves to waits."

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by FIREMECH1 View Post
                      Have you used a volt meter to check that you are in fact getting at least 12.5 volts to the small wire that energizes the solenoid???

                      Don't use a test light. It will light up with voltage down to 6 volts.

                      FM1
                      Nothing at the solenoid on the small wire. Remember, this is intermittent. I am guessing it is going to be in a connector somewhere between the ignition switch and the solenoid, but tracing it is a real pain. So many looms, so many connectors. Is the neutral safety switch in that circuit, or before? Are there other safety switches that might affect it?

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        if you can find the GSO # for the truck KME should be able to get you the "plans" for that apparatus.
                        IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT !
                        Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here !
                        ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown)
                        RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05
                        LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607
                        I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?
                        "but I guarentee you I will FF your arse off" from>
                        http://www.firehouse.com/forums/show...60#post1137060post 115

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by LVFD301 View Post
                          Soo.. here I sit with a mechanics remote starter switch hooked up to the solenoid, wire tied under the hood. Got a run with that engine, you clip the other end of the switch to the 12 VDC stud, turn the ign switch to run, and hit the remote starter switch. Unhook, and go on the call.

                          It is an intermittent issue. The ign switch always has 13 volts at all contacts when in the start position, but it is not making it to the solenoid.

                          I live with 12 volt wiring. My installers do LOTS of police package upfitting. This wiring harness on this international scares me. Very hard to trace.

                          Just as an aside - if you hold the ign switch to start, then apply power, the truck starts
                          to turn over, then the starter quickly stopsand it goes through the normal startup.

                          Tomorrow will be another day of trying to trace. Sure wish I had a wiring diagram. What fun.
                          As I mentioned earlier check the junction block where the connections pass thru the Firewall. Ints have been KNOWN to have trouble here. As FM indicates,check the initiate wire with a DVOM, NOT a test light. A test light is OK for the quick test but you need a VOLTMETER to see what is REALLY going on. T.C,

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by LVFD301 View Post
                            Nothing at the solenoid on the small wire. Remember, this is intermittent. I am guessing it is going to be in a connector somewhere between the ignition switch and the solenoid, but tracing it is a real pain. So many looms, so many connectors. Is the neutral safety switch in that circuit, or before? Are there other safety switches that might affect it?
                            If it gets TOO hard,put a push button in the dash,one side HOT with key ON and wire the other side of the push button to the small wire on the starter. Viola! Problem solved. T.c.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Weruj1 View Post
                              if you can find the GSO # for the truck KME should be able to get you the "plans" for that apparatus.
                              I have the as built plans - but they don't say much about the chassis electrical. If anything. That is all International, and those plans are a bit more trouble to get.

                              Comment

                              300x600 Ad Unit (In-View)

                              Collapse

                              Upper 300x250

                              Collapse

                              Taboola

                              Collapse

                              Leader

                              Collapse
                              Working...
                              X