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  • Order of Response (Best Use of Quint)

    Hi everybody,

    I've tried to search the forms but I haven't found anything that quite fits my question. Please forgive me if I picked the wrong sub-forum, this one seemed like it!

    We are looking at rearranging our order of response for structure fires to better utilize our quint. Here are some quick references for our department

    Fleet:

    2012 Sutphen SL75 1500/420 - 5 x SCBA
    Tanker 1050/2500
    Pumper/Tanker 1050/1500
    Heavy Rescue 5 x SCBA, Cascade system


    Department:

    Unstaffed - Fully volunteer. Most members work out of town during daytime. Typically a fairly aggressive department, interior attack common.

    Service area:

    Small town with apprx. 1500 dwellings, hydrants available (water supply not generally an issue), situated on a hill with water pressure at the hydrant varying sharply depending on elevation. A number of abandoned homes.

    Currently, our order of response to structure fires is as follows:

    Tanker , Heavy Rescue, Pumper/Tanker, Quint

    We all believe this makes poor use of our Quint and prohibits the ability to place it most effectively. The question is, do we make use of the Quint's ability to "do it all" and run it is our attack truck to be backed up by our tanker, or do we utilize it in the same manner we currently use our Heavy Rescue, and have it respond with manpower without running lines from it during the initial attack. Does anyone have experience running a similar sized quint in a similar coverage area?


  • #2
    Just some thoughts....

    Your quint is acting as your only ladder company. It can do all but placement can be different for an engine vs. ladder company. So for the sake of discussion it is your ladder company.

    You say you are running the tanker as first due, which commits it for attack and not to do what it is intended to do haul water. You also state you have an engine tanker.

    So if you ran the Engine Tanker as first due and quint second due then tanker as third it gets most of your fire fighting capabilities at the scene in an order that should cover your needs.

    This of course is dependent on the time of day, type of call, drivers available, etc etc etc.... you have to be fluid and put the best approach you can based on the resources you have to address that particular call and time of day.

    Again just thoughts..... you have to figure out what works for you.

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    • #3
      Agree with ChiefDog.... I don't think you are using your apparatus in the best way possible, and the ideal response would be pumper/tanker, quint (functioning as a ladder company), than tanker and then heavy rescue. If your area is in a designated bad hydrated area, I might say roll the tanker with 1 guy right behind the pumper to give you more water. No need for the heavy rescue on the initial attack, other than ISO points.

      The ladder's turntable should be at the front of the building, so having it arrive 4th typically means it's placement isn't idea. You should also have similar firefighting equipment on the rescue and ladder (hooks, forcibl entry tools, irons, etc), so bringing the ladder second allows you to do truck work and go to the roof from the stick if needed.

      Unless you are in an all quint system, I don't like running lines off your quint, because it limits your use of the aerial. However, my former department had an engine and ladder, and one day when the engine was on an assignment for an overturned vehicle, we were dispatched for a structure fire in our first due, and took the ladder and it pumped like a champ.

      Quints are great, because you can do engine or truck work. but you will still be limited by manpower, so it's tough to do both at the same time. Let the pumper and tanker do engine work, and the quint do truck work, knowing that if the engine is unavailable, you can still pump from the ladder.
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      • #4
        It makes absolutely no sense at all to send the tender out first. Further, since the heavy rescue has no pump sending it second is also counter productive.

        In a non-hydrant area send the engine first followed by the tender, then the quint, and lastly the heavy rescue.

        In hydranted areas send the quin first to allow for unblocked positioning, second the engine, third the tender then the heavy rescue.
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        • #5
          Appreciate the thoughtful responses, and a third option we hadn't really considered. Thanks!

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          • #6
            We've found that getting a line on the fire in residential fires has been the most productive use of our staff and apparatus. I'd look at sending the quint first backed up by incoming water second. If you're primarily rural water or poorly spaced hydrants I'd think the pumper tanker needs to go to the water source? With the tanker as the in between or nurse tank and then the heavy rescue last. How your town is laid out can be a big factor. Are most homes on private driveways that must be accesses by apparatus or are most street-side? Is there room for maneuvering or do you mostly get one shot at the aerial positioning? Any which way makes me think quint first (that's really their niche).

            So: Quint then Tanker to the scene, followed by pumper/tanker to the water source, heavy rescue to the scene.

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