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  • #16
    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    You could make that argument on all vehicles then.
    Does it matter if some chief's are marked and some aren't? Why not let the department pick what they think is best for their area?
    Career Fire Captain
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    Never taking for granted that I'm privileged enough to have the greatest job in the world!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
      Does it matter if some chief's are marked and some aren't? Why not let the department pick what they think is best for their area?
      They can do what they like, I don't have to like it...

      I was merely offering my opinion, not proposing a law.
      I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

      "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

      "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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      • #18
        California State Regulation

        The State Regulation here states that Emergency Vehicles only need to have a "steady" red light visible from 1,000 feet to the front. I remember there also needs to be an amber light visible to the rear also, but researched the CHP 810 Document (covers Emergency/Commercial Vehicles) and did not find anything that states that. The use of the siren is a given so I won't state the Reg. for that.

        The reason for this is because they have no visible markings on their trucks stating it’s an emergency vehicle.
        When not responding to an emergency all Emergency Vehicles must abide by all the traffic laws. So, it is a normal vehicle..... The "steady" red to the front is what tells you it's an Emergency Vehicle so if you see that, pull over. At intersections, if you hear a siren then proceed to the right or stop depending on the situation. It's that simple..... Even if it had stripes and such down the side, you wouldn't see them from the front anyways so it doesn't matter.

        They look like someone’s personal truck when the lights are not flashing.
        You mean that your Volunteer FFs look like "real/regular people"? Say it ain't so.....

        I think they just want to use the city trucks for personal chores free gas etc..
        By "personal chores" you mean being on call 24/7? How about you try this, schedule some "Family Time" and have it interrupted by a total stranger that needs help. Do this for many years and see how it works for ya..... When you're a Volunteer/Paid Call FF there is no such thing as a "personal chore." When the pager goes off, you respond even when you're doing things for yourself or around the house. Yes, they "signed-up" for this Job and they knew this would happen to them but it still does not change the fact that it regularly happens.

        As I see it, there is no such thing as "free gas" since the city is buying it (at a bulk rate, to keep the price down) and somebody has to pay for it. The taxpayers are covering the bill... And yes, the Fire Chiefs are taxpaying folks also so all they are doing is spending their fair share of the taxes they are paying. You drive on the public funded roads correct? Enjoy them, you paid for them.


        I am a Career Truck Captain and spent a couple years as a Volunteer FF and many years as a Paid Call FF in my local Town. It annoys me A LOT when I read people that complain about this. If you work the Job, then shame on you and quit complaining..... If you are a Civilian I say, "thank you very much sir/ma am, we will take your concerns and investigate them thoroughly" and then return to leading my Crew. Let the FFs do their Job and don't be so petty..... Or cough-up more tax dollars and go Career.
        "Be LOUD, Be PROUD..... It just might save your can someday when goin' through an intersection!!!!!"

        Life on the Truck (Quint) is good.....

        Eat til you're sleepy..... Sleep til you're hungry..... And repeat.....

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        • #19
          Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
          You could make that argument on all vehicles then.
          Yeah, actually I could. With the exception that the other regular duty vehicles are typically used exclusively for FD business and there's an element of positive PR in explicitly identifying them. (Not that there's any chance of not recognizing a fire engine. )
          "Nemo Plus Voluptatis Quam Nos Habant"
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          The Code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by dill the thrill View Post
            You guys are ****ed i ask for a little help and you guys just shoot me down.... I must be dealing with Volunteers.. this web site should be call
            firefighterwannabes.com..... get a real job no one volunteers anymore fkn posers
            try whackers & whiners dot com. You'd fit right in there.

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            • #21
              To "dill".....

              You guys are ****ed i ask for a little help and you guys just shoot me down.... I must be dealing with Volunteers.. this web site should be call
              firefighterwannabes.com..... get a real job no one volunteers anymore fkn posers
              First off, as I see it you asked a ridiculous question. Who cares how the Chief and Deputy Chief's Vehicles are marked? If it's that much of an issue to you, man-up and take it to them. If you don't get anywhere then take it to the City Council, Fire Board or whatever you have.

              In my case and my response, as you can see I am not a Vollie any more. I have been Career for awhile, so I have a "real job" it's helping to raise my (3) daughters. I pay my bills with the FD.

              Look, I apologize because you got picked last in Kickball. It wasn't me, maybe a person like me but it wasn't me.....

              "Wha wha, I'm gonna take my toys and go home....." We're posers, interesting because I don't let my daughters act that childish and they are between the ages of 8 and 4. Oh wait, you had to have been looking in the mirror when you typed that... My bad.....

              You have (1) maybe a handful of posts now and you want to criticize others here? Get a clue, do your time and contribute..... Then we may take your seriously.

              Go away..... Please go away.....
              "Be LOUD, Be PROUD..... It just might save your can someday when goin' through an intersection!!!!!"

              Life on the Truck (Quint) is good.....

              Eat til you're sleepy..... Sleep til you're hungry..... And repeat.....

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              • #22
                Originally posted by dill the thrill View Post
                You guys are ****ed i ask for a little help and you guys just shoot me down.... I must be dealing with Volunteers.. this web site should be call
                firefighterwannabes.com..... get a real job no one volunteers anymore fkn posers
                HAHAHAHA... just noticed this edit.

                Look Nancy, pull up your skirts and leave already!
                I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by dill the thrill View Post
                  You guys are ****ed i ask for a little help and you guys just shoot me down.... I must be dealing with Volunteers.. this web site should be call
                  firefighterwannabes.com..... get a real job no one volunteers anymore fkn posers
                  Post of the year.
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                  Never taking for granted that I'm privileged enough to have the greatest job in the world!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by dill the thrill View Post
                    You guys are ****ed i ask for a little help and you guys just shoot me down.... I must be dealing with Volunteers.. this web site should be call
                    firefighterwannabes.com..... get a real job no one volunteers anymore fkn posers
                    I'm just a little confused here, I've read and reread the responding post, and up to the point where you post this above crap, no one had "shot you down". Just because no one got on all fours for you does not mean we are not willing to listen and respond to your questions. If you are going to get this upset over nothing, then go get bent tick turd. Happy now? What, you expected us to beg you to stay? Take your ball and go home Susie.
                    Stay Safe
                    Bull


                    “Guys if you get hurt, we’ll help you. If you get sick we’ll treat you. If you want to bitch and moan, then all I can tell you is to flick the sand out of your slit, suck it up or get the hell out!”
                    - Capt. Marc Cox CFD

                    Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result.
                    -WINSTON CHURCHILL

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by dill the thrill View Post
                      You guys are ****ed i ask for a little help and you guys just shoot me down.... I must be dealing with Volunteers.. this web site should be call
                      firefighterwannabes.com..... get a real job no one volunteers anymore fkn posers
                      Run out of Tampons????

                      You had 2 supporters, until you edited your post. Now be a good girl and play somewhere else. C YA!!!!

                      FM1
                      I'm the one Fire and Rescue calls, when they need to be Rescued.

                      Originally posted by EastKyFF
                      "Firemens gets antsies. Theys wants to goes to fires. Sometimeses they haves to waits."

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
                        Post of the year.
                        And it's only the second, who'd a thunk???

                        FM1
                        I'm the one Fire and Rescue calls, when they need to be Rescued.

                        Originally posted by EastKyFF
                        "Firemens gets antsies. Theys wants to goes to fires. Sometimeses they haves to waits."

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by DeputyMarshal View Post
                          Honestly, does it really matter? Oftentimes Chiefs get 24/7/365 use of a department car as a "perk" because they're expected to respond to all major emergencies whenever they occur. As long as they're provided with appropriate emergency lights and audibles to respond in emergency mode if necessary, what difference does it make if they're immediately recognizable as the fire chief?
                          As for a "perk", that is fine, as long as you don't abuse it. I only have a problem with it when he takes it out of town (documented for personal use, not FD related), or for family/personal use. This is a City vehicle, and should only be used for FD needs. As for making runs in it, he was on scene 3 times the whole of 2010. Yet racked up over 14,000 miles. If it had decals and striped as the B/C buggies are, it wouldn't have the mileage abuse it has.

                          FM1
                          I'm the one Fire and Rescue calls, when they need to be Rescued.

                          Originally posted by EastKyFF
                          "Firemens gets antsies. Theys wants to goes to fires. Sometimeses they haves to waits."

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                          • #28
                            The Chief and both Assistant Chiefs have "take home" cars. Other than the Chief's Expo, the other two cars are old patrol cars which were hand me downs from the pd. All three of the vehicles are striped and have light bars.
                            Stay Safe
                            Bull


                            “Guys if you get hurt, we’ll help you. If you get sick we’ll treat you. If you want to bitch and moan, then all I can tell you is to flick the sand out of your slit, suck it up or get the hell out!”
                            - Capt. Marc Cox CFD

                            Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result.
                            -WINSTON CHURCHILL

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by FIREMECH1 View Post
                              This is a City vehicle, and should only be used for FD needs.
                              That's a contract issue between the City and the chief. Honestly, I don't think it has any bearing on whether or not the vehicle needs to be marked.
                              "Nemo Plus Voluptatis Quam Nos Habant"
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                              The Code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by DeputyMarshal View Post
                                That's a contract issue between the City and the chief. Honestly, I don't think it has any bearing on whether or not the vehicle needs to be marked.
                                Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to butt heads with you, I like you. But with the abusive use of the vehicle, I feel that it should be marked as a FD vehicle. It also isn't a contract issue with the City and the Chief. The Chief did not want any FD or other decals on it when he got it. To make sure he had FD credentials, we gave him magnetic FD decals to display when he was to run hot. He has yet to use them. I have a problem with that. Especially if he is to run with lights and siren as the Fire Chief.

                                FM1
                                I'm the one Fire and Rescue calls, when they need to be Rescued.

                                Originally posted by EastKyFF
                                "Firemens gets antsies. Theys wants to goes to fires. Sometimeses they haves to waits."

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