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  • Sandinmyboots
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    Seagrave Mid-Mount and Rear Mount Platforms

    Seagrave has abandoned (good idea) the RK aerials. Not that the RK Product isn't ok, as has been said on here, it just makes good business sense for a company as storied as Seagrave to make their own products.
    That being said, their reason for using RK originally was that the engineering and design cost for the platforms would probably exceed $1 million dollars. Mind you, that is for ENGINEERING AND DESIGN ONLY. On top of that, you have to add in marketing and demo (at least one each of a mid and rear mount) and now you have easy, $3 mil. This kind of overhead is difficult to recover in order to be competitive when the platform market is pretty saturated with Pierce, KME, E-One, Sutphen, ALF-LTI - and the market is probably only 120 units annually. Plus, the LADDER TOWER product may erode the TOWER LADDER (AerialScope) sales, which are probably now around 40 units per year.
    As for the Seagrave niche - if the Attacker (and new FWD Cab) is as tough as the Maruader, then they will have great products. The Scope is, beyond a doubt, the toughest aerial device ever invented.
    Should you see Seagrave bring their own Ladder Tower to the market, it would send a strong signal that there is serious long term investment capital being put into the company. That message could be a problem to competitors.
    Last edited by Sandinmyboots; 12-16-2007, 10:11 AM.

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  • chiefengineer11
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    Originally posted by CooterRob View Post
    HME/Ahrens Fox uses RK... soo does Alexis Fire Apparatus out of IL.
    As well as Toyne.

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  • WoodbridgeFFII
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    Originally posted by CooterRob View Post
    HME/Ahrens Fox uses RK... soo does Alexis Fire Apparatus out of IL.
    Have you heard any updated news from Seagrave, if they will design & build there own 75'-100' midmount tower ladders ??

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  • CooterRob
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    Originally posted by firepiper1 View Post
    I love insider sources! If that is true, then I think that Darley would be one of the last non-Rosenbauer manufacturers to use RK.
    HME/Ahrens Fox uses RK... soo does Alexis Fire Apparatus out of IL.
    Last edited by CooterRob; 12-15-2007, 10:55 PM.

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  • CooterRob
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    Originally posted by apb2148 View Post
    Seagrave has the market cornered with the Steel cab. No one else is making the steel cabs,except the Spartan Fusion(no comparisons). The new Marauder 2 has improved from the Marauder.
    your info is incorrect... the Spartan Furion is a "Galvanized Steel Cab" there's a difference.

    Seagrave makes a solid product... they have a certain market to certain fire depts. Some like the "kool aid" some like the light side. I personally think that the Seagrave Marauder II is one of the best built cabs in the industry. Take a trip to Clintonville, WI and you'll see why. Not to mention there's a lot of history there. Seagrave only makes 2 cabs... the S/S Marauder II and the Aluminum Attacker. FWD/Seagrave just introduced the entry level FWD aluminum "Intruder" as to compete with Contender among others. With that being said they can focus their engineering on those cabs vs. some competitors nwhom have many other cabs with lots of "fluff". They also are one of few in the industry that do not use TCM "Cincinnati Cab" for their skin and cab construction. Seagrave may work for one dept. and not for another, but most depts. that own them are rarely unhappy.
    Last edited by CooterRob; 12-15-2007, 10:28 PM.

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  • CooterRob
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    Originally posted by NewJerseyFFII View Post
    Is Seagrave building there own rear mount & midmount platforms now. There web site offers no platforms, only the Aerialscope ?
    FWD/Seagrave owns Aerialscope...

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  • NewJerseyFFII
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    Originally posted by apb2148 View Post
    Seagrave has the market cornered with the Steel cab. No one else is making the steel cabs,except the Spartan Fusion(no comparisons). The new Marauder 2 has improved from the Marauder.
    I have looked at and sat in the cab of the new Seagrave Marauder II it is a very well built soild chassis cab. The only other cab that I like is the Pierce Arrow XT!..
    Last edited by NewJerseyFFII; 11-30-2007, 07:42 PM.

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  • apb2148
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    Seagrave has the market cornered with the Steel cab. No one else is making the steel cabs,except the Spartan Fusion(no comparisons). The new Marauder 2 has improved from the Marauder.

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  • NewJerseyFFII
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    Seagrave Fire Apparatus, LLC

    Maybe now with there " CEO " resigning they will bring in someone with fresh new ideas on building fire trucks for 2008 and offer more products to compete with Pierce , ALF/LTI , E-One, Sutphen , Kme, Etc !...

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  • Command6
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    Originally posted by NewJerseyFFII View Post
    Seagrave builds very good aerial ladders, the 75' Meanstick & 100' Force, and also the " AERIALSCOPE ". So they sould design & build there own 75'- 100' midmount & rearmount platforms !...
    I agree Jersey. Seagrave has always built a good straight stick. It seems to me a natural progression would be to offer a mid-mount and rear mount platform.

    Could it be that a rear mount aerial ladder platform would be viewed as too close in design to the Aerialscope?

    Didn't Seagrave introduce the first hydraulically controlled aerial ladder? Oh well that's ancient history.

    C6

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  • NewJerseyFFII
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    Originally posted by 1truckie View Post
    My sources tell me that the RK aerials are no longer being used. To date Seagrave is going to finish up any current orders and discontinue the line. I am hoping they will design their own rear mounts and midmounts like they should have done in the first place. Going to another manufacturer was another Hebe move. Seagrave has always been a manufacturer that has built their own high quality ladders and that is where it should stay. I believe they will, but for now there is no offering from Seagrave for the mid mounts and rear mount platforms. I am not sure if this was a good seller anyway.
    Seagrave builds very good aerial ladders, the 75' Meanstick & 100' Force, and also the " AERIALSCOPE ". So they sould design & build there own 75'- 100' midmount & rearmount platforms !...
    Last edited by NewJerseyFFII; 11-11-2007, 01:47 PM. Reason: " NO TOWERMAX " ?

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  • 1truckie
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    My sources tell me that the RK aerials are no longer being used. To date Seagrave is going to finish up any current orders and discontinue the line. I am hoping they will design their own rear mounts and midmounts like they should have done in the first place. Going to another manufacturer was another Hebe move. Seagrave has always been a manufacturer that has built their own high quality ladders and that is where it should stay. I believe they will, but for now there is no offering from Seagrave for the mid mounts and rear mount platforms. I am not sure if this was a good seller anyway.

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  • NewJerseyFFII
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    RK Ladders ?

    Originally posted by tomwnh View Post
    I was told by a reliable source that Seagrave is no longer using RK aerials.
    Is Seagrave building there own rear mount & midmount platforms now. There web site offers no platforms, only the Aerialscope ?

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  • Command6
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    Originally posted by firepiper1 View Post
    I love insider sources! If that is true, then I think that Darley would be one of the last non-Rosenbauer manufacturers to use RK.
    Piper,

    Just suffice to say my insider source gets a regular paycheck from Seagrave, and I expect that this person to be "in the know".

    I believe Toyne still uses RK: http://www.toyne.com/page.asp_Q_navigationid_E_49

    C6

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  • FD1976
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    Does anyone have both a Maurauder I and a MarauderII together? They changed the cab configuration making the rear cab doors larger, and the area behind the crew cab doors (and compt) smaller on the XLFD. I assume this was for the 007 engine specs. Rear legroom seems smaller, and i've only seen forward facing flip-down type seats in the rear. It was one of the larger cabs, not so sure now.

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