The departments around here use all different kinds of trucks. One department bought a E-one a few years back and they had so many problems with it the turned it into a resurve truck with less than five years running first out. And most departments keep their trucks in service for at least ten years around here so that is the only experience with e-one not a good one. But it may have been just a bad apple and they were the unlucky ones to get it. I have been on pierce, ALF, Rosebauer, and E-one trucks. E-one was the worst ride and had the most problems of them all.
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My dept bought a Pierce once.....the starter was installed incorrectly at the factory, dealer service sucks, had to be repainted 3 times, parts take forever and a day to be shipped..........they are not the golden child by any means.Last edited by firepiper1; 04-19-2007, 10:25 PM.I have only 2 allegiances, to my country and to my God. The rest of you are fair game.
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Originally posted by FWDbuff View PostHey Chief, if the new improved E-Wont owned Saulsbury is so good, why dont you give the Bel Air Fire Company a call (Harford County, Maryland Company 3) and ask them about their new and improved E-Wont Saulsbury Experience.
Oh, and there are quite a few people that lurk on here that will vouch for the fact that I drink many different flavored kool-aids, and the Appleton Flavor ISNT one of them!
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Originally posted by FyredUp View Postchief1995...
Wowser...first post here is to accuse a long time poster of being a koolaid drinker...perhaps you have a hidden agenda? One can only guess.
Welcome to the boards.
FyredUp
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Originally posted by chief1995 View PostSo i guess what you are telling me is that a "bad experience" with a dept. in Maryland means that a good product or a good experience does not exist??, it is apparent that you don't like E-One but i would also suggest you have half of the facts about Saulsbury as well.
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Originally posted by dano8696 View PostChief - I will have to side with FWD on this one, i'm not playing a game like e-one vs. pierce vs. la france...... but e-one does have a pretty negative reputation from various depts through the country and the problems are all pretty consistantI have only 2 allegiances, to my country and to my God. The rest of you are fair game.
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chief1995:
I really don't have a hidden agenda, it just cracks me up to read these apparatus posts bashing manufacturers, everyone of them has different ideas and ways of doing things, (some good and some not so good, E-One, Pierce, ALF, etc... included) if one manufacturer was perfect wouldn't we all be buying from them??
Again, welcome to the boards.
FyredUpCrazy, but that's how it goes
Millions of people living as foes
Maybe it's not too late
To learn how to love, and forget how to hate
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Originally posted by sven73 View PostFirepiper- Why not put your cup of hater-ade down and step away. This is a thread about E-1 not Pierce. We all get the idea- you don't like Pierce.I have only 2 allegiances, to my country and to my God. The rest of you are fair game.
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Originally posted by chief1995 View PostSo i guess what you are telling me is that a "bad experience" with a dept. in Maryland means that a good product or a good experience does not exist??, it is apparent that you don't like E-One but i would also suggest you have half of the facts about Saulsbury as well.
Then there's (insert manufacturer name here) who will say "Thats what they wanted, thats what they spec'd, so thats what we built."
-Uhhhhh, ok.....But where was your engineering department for the pre-build meeting? Or, god forbid....a pre-BID meeting, to say that "while a good idea, accepted engineering practices wont allow us to build that." Or, "There's too much weight on a single axle, we wont build it unless it's a twin screw..."
Hmmmm....Did Corporate sales and marketing have the engineers locked in a closet, tied to a chair with duct tape covering their mouths? If this were the case, my feelings towards many manufacturers these days would lighten up, as it is certainly somewhat of a plausible excuse for some of the garbage hitting the streets these days.
And what about simple problems, that could be handled with a few phone calls, like engine or tranny problems? (insert builder name here) could just be the men that they claim they are, admit that it was their improper installation procedures that caused the problem, buck up and admit it and pay for the correction, instead of stalling, wasting time by having the piece brough to their repair facility, claiming they cant find a problem and saying it's (insert engine or tranny builder name here) fault. Ok, fine. Even if it IS their fault which 90% of the time it's not) why dont you, as the truck builder, buck up, pay for it so that Podunksville isnt out of the only truck they have for 2 or 3 weeks, and fight with (insert engine or tranny builder name here) later for the money?
Chief, go back and read through my posts. Ask some of the people on here. I am the first person to complement good, decent, reputable builders. Even builders that I choose not to buy or purchase- HME for example- I think HME/Ahrens Fox builds a fine product and they stand behind it. Unfortunately they chose not to bid on our recent purchase. Had they done so, I dare say they very well could have been one of our top 3 choices. Coinciding with that statement, I dont automatically go and badmouth builders when one company has a problem. But when numerous companies around you start having the same issues over and over again, and the builder wont stand up to it, or finally will when it is proved that they are at fault, well, ya gotta take notice to that! Maybe we're just a victim of geographical circumstances, chief. I am from the Philadelphia Metropolitan Region. Draw a circle 100 miles around the center of Philadelphia. You know how many fire companies surround me? Montgomery County, Pa alone I think has just about 100 fire stations. Then there is Bucks County, Pa. And Delaware and Chester Counties in Pa. Then there are the states of Delaware and New Jersey. And Northeastern Maryland (Harford and Cecil Counties.) As you can imagine, being part of the "apparatus grapevine" my cell phone rings constantly and my emailbox is often full of discussion.
I may only have half the facts about Saulsbury, but one fact I do have that I bet a whole bunch of people on here agree with- that they are now not HALF the company they were prior to being bought out by you-know-who.
By the way, who do you sell for? E-One or Saulsbury?
Rant over.Last edited by FWDbuff; 04-22-2007, 08:29 AM."Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."
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