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    I have seen LAFDs latest engine design and was wondering if given the relatively short hosebed could 1000' of 5" and 700 feet of 2.5" be fit into the hosebed? In the spec sheet I have seen from Seagrave the hosebed is designed for 700' of 4" and 700' of 2.5". Just curious, but I like the maneuverability of the short wheelbase.

    http://www.emergencyrigs.net/viewpho...2803&Size=med_

  • #2
    The FAMA website show the 5" hose (100') is 3723 cubic inches and the 2.5" is 1414 cubic inches (50'). If you can find the dimensions of the hosebed you can calculate the cubic inches availalbe and then figure it out.

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    • #3
      Thanks, that is good info.

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      • #4
        is that a 500 gal tank ? I am looking to lower the hosedbed on our next engine, the FDNY used to have nice low beds too.
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        • #5
          yes

          I believe both the Seagrave's and Pierce's have 500 gallon tanks..

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          • #6
            Cincinnati purchased several E One's with low hosebeds in 2003 and 2004. You can see a photo of one with the bed empty at: Engine 46 - Hosebed.
            Cincinnati F.D. History Site
            Society for the Preservation & Appreciation of Antique Fire Apparatus in America
            Youngstown Fire Forums - 40,000+ photos of Apparatus, Fire Scenes, etc.

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            • #7
              low hosebed??

              I sometimes question the functionality of these "low" hosebeds. Did anyone see the NJ Seagrave pumper a month or 2 ago in the "Apparatus Architect" series in Firehouse magazine? They noted the short wheelbase and low hosebed height. Well, because of those, the TOP of the LDH bed was as high as the high-side compartment tops! It doesn't really matter what the bottom height is, it's the top you are hand-strecthing and packing.

              If the height of a water tank is lowered, cubic feet must be added somewhere to give the same water capacity, usually vertically in the front, creating a shorter bed. Shorter bed = higher top of bed for the same amount of hose. Not to mention a higher center of gravity, particularly in the "short-wheelbase" models. Any thoughts?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by bigjim1301 View Post
                The FAMA website show the 5" hose (100') is 3723 cubic inches and the 2.5" is 1414 cubic inches (50'). If you can find the dimensions of the hosebed you can calculate the cubic inches availalbe and then figure it out.
                I think these figures depend on which way it is packed and how well it is packed, am I right?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Weruj1 View Post
                  is that a 500 gal tank ? I am looking to lower the hosedbed on our next engine, the FDNY used to have nice low beds too.
                  Something like this?

                  FTM-PTB
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                  • #10
                    Now that's a hosebed,hehe T.C.

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                    • #11
                      That picture kinda blows a hole my theory. But a few considerations:
                      1- I may be wrong, but I think thats an old photo when FDNY used only 250-300 gallon tanks. Now they use 500 gallon and most other depts are 750+.
                      2-Not much hose compared to what many suburban (not urban) areas require.
                      3-Hosebeds in general are not that wide anymore. Almost every manufacturer is making the high-side compts deeper to accomodate the demand for more storage.

                      I guess a rig can be built exactly as a dept. requires but if you want large compartments, large water tank and large hose capacity, its going to be high unless the body is very long. somethin's gotta give.

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                      • #12
                        And if you're in an urban area...your needs for more water, more hose, and more compartments is a bit limited.

                        All comes down to what you need for your area. My company's main attack Engine-Tank has a 1200 gallon booster tank with 1000' of 4" -- and the 4" is usually used laying up a driveway. Driveway line is fed by either tankers (we have a 3000 gallon ET, too), or by a split-lay by our Engine reverse laying upto 5000' to water. We could work in Brooklyn, NY and they could work in Brooklyn, CT but neither would be optimized for the area. We'd be scrambling for enough 1.75" or 2.5" hose; they'd be struggling to establish water supply for anything more than a room & contents.

                        The compromise in our area is the hose & ladders end up high off the ground, but we need the water more.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by FFFRED View Post
                          Something like this?

                          FTM-PTB
                          FFRED that is an affirmative !!!!!!
                          IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT !
                          Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here !
                          ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown)
                          RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05
                          LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607
                          I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?
                          "but I guarentee you I will FF your arse off" from>
                          http://www.firehouse.com/forums/show...60#post1137060post 115

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by FFFRED View Post
                            Something like this?

                            FTM-PTB
                            HOLY CRAP!!!

                            Wow that sucker is low.


                            I would imagine that their couldn't be too much compartment space on that sucker.?
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                            • #15
                              This is a picture of the truck my dad sold to Red Bank, TN when he was the Crimson dealer. I believe this truck has a 700 gallon tank. It has room for a lot more hose than they carry.

                              http://www.gobigwater.com/images/red...ngine1Rear.jpg

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