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    Does anyone out there have any experiance with the concept of a heavy truck? From my understanding this is basically a true ladder truck (without pump) that combines heavy rescue, and truck equipment on one piece of apparatus. Aside from the obvious benefit of a large monetary savings we were looking for any pros or cons about this concept. Our district is not busy enough to devote a full-time staff to either piece of apparatus. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

  • #2
    If I remember right, Eden, PA (www.edenfire.com) replaced a heavy rescue and rearmount platform with a tiller ladder. They had some articles about the decision-making and planning process.

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    • #3
      Look at the FDNY ladder companies...
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      • #4
        The Eden site is excellent. They did a tremendous job in designing and equipping their unit. We have 2 aerials on order (tractor-drawn) and will be doing a similiar set up. Ours won't combine any units, just adding to our resources since we only have 2 rescue companies covering over 100 sq. miles.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by upstater View Post
          If I remember right, Eden, PA (www.edenfire.com) replaced a heavy rescue and rearmount platform with a tiller ladder. They had some articles about the decision-making and planning process.

          Fair warning, it's yellow....
          here is da' linky ! http://www.edenfire.com/newsroom/article_624.shtml
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          • #6
            Thanks, Weruj1 - I didn't have time before to track down the exact page.


            Now that I have taken a second look, here's another helpful section, for anyone that's interested.

            http://www.edenfire.com/newsroom/article_566.shtml


            I used to work near Eden when I lived in PA. I've been in to talk to them a couple of times, and I've always been super impressed with the operation there. They strike me as very professional volunteers.
            Last edited by upstater; 01-20-2007, 12:41 AM.
            The opinions expressed in this post are well-reasoned and insightful. Needless to say, they are not the opinions of the government that I work for.

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            • #7
              I like the concept and have seen and loved the set up of the Eden truck but one thing I havn't heard anyone talk about is OOS time. Prior to combinning services they had a stand alone Rescue and Tower, now they are combined which means if the truck is OOS for any reason it's like having two trucks down not one. Before if the Tower was OOS the Rescue could do some truck work tasks on the fireground and visa versa, with combining rigs you loose that flexabilty.

              Still a neat idea.

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              • #8
                wow

                7 hydraulic tools. Impressive.

                That thing is incredible. Reminds me of Orange CA tillered rescue. Looks like they spent a lot of time thinking it out. It also has to be one of the most organized rigs I a have ever seen.

                Also--does anyone know what FDNY ladder c.o.s carry for rescue equipment? I thought I read they have a set of jaws and what not.

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                • #9
                  FWIW, Baltimore County had no career Rescue Co.'s The trucks had truck stuff as well as extrication tools and rope gear. Nowhere near what a Rescue should have, bit it was a nice compromise given the call load.
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                  http://rescue2training.com/journal.html

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by skipatrol8 View Post
                    7 hydraulic tools. Impressive.

                    That thing is incredible. Reminds me of Orange CA tillered rescue. Looks like they spent a lot of time thinking it out. It also has to be one of the most organized rigs I a have ever seen.

                    Also--does anyone know what FDNY ladder c.o.s carry for rescue equipment? I thought I read they have a set of jaws and what not.
                    I have seen the FDNY tower ladders with a Hurst tool, jaws & cutter on a 75' scope !..

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                    • #11
                      Eden's TDA was featured in the January 2007 issue, in the Apparatus Architect column by Tom Shand and Michael Wilbur.

                      I believe Howard County MD runs 100' rear mount platforms as truck/rescues in the career stations.

                      OOS time should not be a factor if there is sufficient mutual aid units. Also, the same problem exists for combination rescue/engines. But most of the focus needs to be what it can do when it is in-service.

                      As with any apparatus design, you have to start by defining what you expect the unit to do, then see if that goal is achievable. Unfortunately, sometimes with combination apparatus, the goal seems to be to try to do a little bit of everything.

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                      • #12
                        rescue/trucks

                        How about what is typically a heavy rescue squad, non-walk-in, pumper type cab (6 people), no pump, no water, just a big toolbox on wheels - but with all the truck company ground ladders in the back?

                        It seems like everyone has the typical 6 person cab, raised roof, single rear axle, 2 compartments ahead of the rear wheel, one behind the rear wheel, roll up on the back, ladder to the top compartments, light tower, pre-connected rescue tools.......and a 24ft ladder.

                        How about if you don't need a 75ft or 100 ft aerial, but still have 5-6K sq. ft. homes where you could use that 45 or 50ft ground ladder? Not to mention the 35, 28, and 20s.

                        A ladder truck less the aerial ladder. Any good links to someone who has done this?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dp7197r751 View Post
                          How about what is typically a heavy rescue squad, non-walk-in, pumper type cab (6 people), no pump, no water, just a big toolbox on wheels - but with all the truck company ground ladders in the back?

                          It seems like everyone has the typical 6 person cab, raised roof, single rear axle, 2 compartments ahead of the rear wheel, one behind the rear wheel, roll up on the back, ladder to the top compartments, light tower, pre-connected rescue tools.......and a 24ft ladder.

                          How about if you don't need a 75ft or 100 ft aerial, but still have 5-6K sq. ft. homes where you could use that 45 or 50ft ground ladder? Not to mention the 35, 28, and 20s.

                          A ladder truck less the aerial ladder. Any good links to someone who has done this?

                          What you're describing is basically a Quad without the pump, or as it's sometimes called a City Service Truck. Indianapolis has had several of these in the past.

                          Larry

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by REVANANT View Post
                            What you're describing is basically a Quad without the pump, or as it's sometimes called a City Service Truck. Indianapolis has had several of these in the past.

                            Larry
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                            Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here !
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                            LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607
                            I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?
                            "but I guarentee you I will FF your arse off" from>
                            http://www.firehouse.com/forums/show...60#post1137060post 115

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by REVANANT View Post
                              What you're describing is basically a Quad without the pump, or as it's sometimes called a City Service Truck. Indianapolis has had several of these in the past.

                              Larry
                              Here an examples of the Indianna rigs. They don't look to have a huge amount of compartments or be especially manuverable.

                              http://www.indianafiretrucks.com/pic...adders/113.jpg

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