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  • #31
    whats too bad is how some folks pay all the attention in the world to nfpa recommendations when it comes to gadgets and other issues , yet the powers that be pay zero attention to staffing recommendations.. the single most important issue that pertains to the job...

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    • #32
      I think the biggest reason most responsible manufacturers will not allow a non- compliant unit out is product liability. Whether the NFPA is adopted or not it is regarded as a national standard for performance and practices. In this litigation happy world you have to CYA. If the department chooses to remove the devices after delivery and the hose or equipment falls off and kills another 10 year old, thats the departments problem to deal with. Securing crosslays and hose beds with webbing or other material is not that expensive versus what you will spend defending a lawsuit.

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      • #33
        Here is what I have seen that works pretty good for securing hose loads.

        Tie the nozzle down and or tie across the load with surveyors tape. You know the stuff, it is usually a bright or flourescent color; yellow, green, pink, etc. You can get it at any hardware store.

        In the application I saw it in use, the tape was applied to hold the nozzle/coupling (whatever heavy thing is likely to fall off and start the chain reaction) back away from the edge of the pack. All you need is enough tension to keep the heavy item from bouncing and wiggling towards falling off, and this might take two or three passes. The tape tears very easily when stretched, so you can pretend it isn't there when you go to pull a line or catch a hydrant - it just tears off as you go. Strong enough to keep things in place but is no hindrance to the job, won't catch on anything, doesn't need to be repaired or recovered, etc.

        Seeing the tapedown job also tells you that someone checked off the hose load at the last PMI, and as long as the tape has not been tampered with you are good to go.
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        • #34
          Hosebeds

          3,000 ft of 5"

          1,000 ft of 3"
          Attached Files
          METZ AERIALS: "SO EASY A CAVEMAN CAN USE THEM"

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          • #35
            Originally posted by redbaron View Post
            3,000 ft of 5"

            1,000 ft of 3"

            Just a question, what is your average hose lay at a job? That must be an incredible distance from water?

            FTM-PTB

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            • #36
              Originally posted by npfd801 View Post
              28 total members, 10 of which are tied directly to building apparatus or components. 12 appear to represent a department or an organization (NVFC, IAFC). The other six include an attorney, a couple of equipment delaers, etc.

              As much as we want to blame the manufacturers for steering these committees to serve their wants and desires, there are plenty of other folks involved that have no real vested interest in making the manufacturer's pockets any more full.
              True, however they are also the same guys who also are the first to buy all the silly bells and whistles from these manufacts and also refuse to understand that somethings are just a freak incident and that we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water everytime something happens.

              FTM-PTB

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              • #37
                Seldom lay the 5" but when we do need it there are times when it comes up short. The hose is also used as a backup water system in Town and can lay lines from the streams at either side of Town. 1200' of 5" on Giant Deluge.
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                Last edited by redbaron; 02-06-2007, 07:42 PM. Reason: Alzheimer lite!
                METZ AERIALS: "SO EASY A CAVEMAN CAN USE THEM"

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                • #38
                  Regardless of the NFPA and truck manufacturer, if your hose comes off the truck, whether it's secured or not, it's the fd that is at fault. Just because there is a strapping/netting/cover system in place does not absolve the fd in any way, shape, or form.
                  "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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