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  • SCtrucky
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    FDNY does it, we have 3 aerials that are non-compliant, so be it.
    meant to say FDNY does it and that we (not NY) have 3 aerials that are non-compliant

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  • SCtrucky
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    just tell them you won't buy it from them if they won't stray from someone's GUIDELINES. FDNY does it, we have 3 aerials that are non-compliant, so be it.

    the NFPA should be re structured to have union leaders, chiefs, officers, even firefighters on it and no manufacturers allowed.

    this is what this country has came to when everyone and everything has to have someone/something babysit them.

    screw PC screw affirmative action and screw the NFPA

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  • Lieutenant387
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    Not saying you are in the NFPA bashing mode but I tend to disagree with your point on mfg's not being on the NFPA comittees. Lets look at the newest change upcoming in 1851 regarding SCBA. There is a WhAcKeR company officer in Sacramento CA that cant get his three guys to check their SCBA at the start of their shift so this moron has got the comittee to agree EVERY FD IN THE NATION needs this to make sure we are all safe. The fact is IT IS GOING TO COST US ALL, big department or small. My question is how/why did one person influence the NFPA 1851 comittee for this change when they can't even do their job as a company officer ?

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  • FWDbuff
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    I keep seeing or hearing people saying that a manufacturer will not defer from NFPA GUIDELINES. (Note I use the word GUIDELINE. NFPA is NOT LAW.) Persons posting in these forums have stated "XYZ Apparatus told us they will not deliver a truck manufactured to our specs as they do not meet NFPA requirements."

    Never, not once have I ever seen evidence or proof of this happening. Does anyone have anything in writing (converted to PDF format) on factory letterhead stating a Mfr will not "do something their way" because the allmighty NFPA says NO? Just curious.

    And before you all bash me, I am not totally against the NFPA. Just most of it. And I dont think anyone who is employed by a manufacturer should be allowed to sit on any committees designing guidelines for that particular object/design/topic etc etc etc.

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  • explr985
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    Originally posted by Bones42 View Post
    \ I know in my area, I can remember 2 times in 24 years. Both times due to bad hose repacking.

    Been in 5 years, seen it twice. Both were a combo of poor packing and the most recent was the operator was driving like a friggin' idiot. Both trucks had dimond plate over the top of the bed and a flap over the end that was secured in a similar means to the new NFPA standard. Still layed about 800' of 4" off the first time, and about 35-45' of 2 1/2" the second. Maybe it isn't so much the new rigs/hose/nets or whatever that is the problem with accidental layouts but perhaps our driving and poor equipment checks.......just a random thought. As for fires being dangerous, I'll keep wearing my NON-NFPA compliant lid into them. :-)

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  • Bones42
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    Going to fires is dangerous too, maybe we should stop that as well.


    (just kidding)

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  • LCFD302
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    I agree with the placements of restraints on the hose beds. If it has happened once it is once to often. We are in the prevention business, which also means prevention of accidents also, whether it is because of improper hose load or other reasons. There is always this mentality of here they come forceing another regulation on us, but if it prevents 1 injury or death why not.

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  • rschultzjr
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    I think hose deployment while fire apparatus are driving down the road happens more often than you think, it just doesn't kill or injure any one so you don't hear about it. We recieved delivery of a new truck in early 2004 and in the first two years we had lost our complete load of 1000 feet of 5 inch hose while traveling down the road and a cross lay once. We were lucky that no one was hurt, when we realized that it was not a packing problem we placed an order for a hose bed cover and todate we havent lost any hose.

    Not only does a hose bed cover keep the hose in the bed of the truck it also helps protect the hose from the enviroment such as sun, leaves, rain, snow, ice and i think you get the point.

    Everyone stay safe out there!

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  • firepiper1
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    Originally posted by ChiefSquirrel View Post
    Thus we had to pay for unexpected and unwanted changes.
    What change in the fire service has EVER been wanted???
    Last edited by firepiper1; 01-17-2007, 02:27 PM.

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  • ChiefSquirrel
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    Originally posted by Iluv4201 View Post
    Maybe I'm not famillar with other parts of the country, but I am a little confused with your post. Are you spec's including hose and nozzles? The design groups I have been privy to have always supplied their own. I am with a non-NFPA department now, but have been with pro-NFPA departments since and have not seen pre-connect tethers. Can someone post some pics showing their answers to 1901?

    iluv4201
    Our specs did not include hose and nozzles, but the manufacturer would not deliver the apparatus without devices on the hosebed and crosslay areas to keep hose in place once we put the hose on the apparatus. Thus we had to pay for unexpected and unwanted changes.

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  • donethat
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    Hose Load

    I think it is becoming a more common occurance due to the shift away from heavy double jacket cotton hose to the light weight synthetic hose. The new hose is slicker and more likely to slide out of the hose bed and it is lighter and can get lifted out of an uncovered hose bed at road speeds. We had a unit dump 2,000 feet of 3" LWH going over a railroad track crossing on the way to a call. Somewhat embarassing, but nobody got hurt.

    I think the new requirements make sense with the newer hose.

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  • Rescue101
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    Like Bones says,it's happened here twice in 38 yrs.Both caused by improper packing,and both "caught"before the crosslay completely unloaded.Doubtful that a NFPA net would have helped because if the hose was improperly packed(it was)probably the net wouldn't have been hooked either. T.C.

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  • Bones42
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    Love it or hate it, I think you'll be hard pressed to find a major body builder who will buid a rig without meeting the NFPA's wishes.
    I noticed a lot of demonstration/new rigs with something to cover this NFPA standard at our last state convention. I also noticed that just about every one of them was built in such a way that it could be very easily completely removed from the apparatus, once delivered.

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  • orangebuster
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    Thanks all that have applied! At least I can give the other Chief some better direction now and where to look for it.


    STILL DOING IT FOR THE RIGHT REASONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • npfd801
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    For those who care to read it, here's the link to the official amendment to 1901 listing the means to contain all hose on a rig.

    http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files/PDF...A1901-03-1.pdf

    It isn't anything really crazy that needs to be done to contain the hose. For example, on our engines, instead of having a weighted end flap on the hosebed cover, the flap is secured with shock-cords. Canvas covers contain our speedlays on the engine. This can also be done by using cargo net style retainers, and any number of more expensive and unique ways depending on what a department wants to do.

    Love it or hate it, I think you'll be hard pressed to find a major body builder who will buid a rig without meeting the NFPA's wishes.
    Last edited by npfd801; 01-16-2007, 11:09 PM.

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