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  • Scope tossed out of FDNY

    Anyone confirm or deny that the Aerialscope bid for the towers was thrown out (rejected) and now it is a toss up between Ferrara and Pierce?
    "Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than yourself."

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    Originally posted by CaptainS
    Anyone confirm or deny that the Aerialscope bid for the towers was thrown out (rejected) and now it is a toss up between Ferrara and Pierce?
    Sounds like a very large " RUMOR " the FDNY has 12 new Seagrave Aerialscopes on order. Four have been delivered to the Seagrave sales & service located in East Brunswick , New Jersey to be preped and lettered and then sent to the city of New York. The " SCOPE " is the best fire apparatus that the FDNY has in it's fleet!...
    Last edited by NewJerseyFFII; 10-24-2006, 08:52 PM. Reason: spelling

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    • #3
      i thought the bid for the tower ladders was still out and not opened yet.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ffp8106
        i thought the bid for the tower ladders was still out and not opened yet.
        When I was at Seagrave Sales & Service 2 months ago the " EVT " that worked on our pumper said that Seagrave has a contract for 12 towers and 8 aerial ladders. The factory started delivering some of Aerialscopes & ladders about 4 months back !

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ffp8106
          i thought the bid for the tower ladders was still out and not opened yet.
          I believe you are correct I will confirm. As for the others mentioned above they were bid nearly 2 years ago and it was 12 TL's and 15 RM aerials not 8. Maybe if the EVT's at Seagrave would STFU and turn a wrench we could get back some of those rigs sitting at their shops. Less talk more work...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by jfTL41
            I believe you are correct I will confirm. As for the others mentioned above they were bid nearly 2 years ago and it was 12 TL's and 15 RM aerials not 8. Maybe if the EVT's at Seagrave would STFU and turn a wrench we could get back some of those rigs sitting at their shops. Less talk more work...
            The last time I was at Seagrave in East Brunwick, N.J. they had a " Help Wanted " sign out front on the lawn area. I think they are still lacking some help " EVT'S " !....

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            • #7
              Originally posted by CaptainS
              Anyone confirm or deny that the Aerialscope bid for the towers was thrown out (rejected) and now it is a toss up between Ferrara and Pierce?
              Both Ferrara & Pierce do not build a " 75 ' tower ladder " , only 95' -100 ' midmounts so how can they bid on these apparatus ? Also the FDNY has 65 Mack/baker & Seagrave Aerialscopes 75'-95' now in service thurout the city, the scope is the top of the line tower ladder apparatus!....
              Last edited by NewJerseyFFII; 03-04-2007, 07:43 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by NewJerseyFFII
                Both Ferrara & Pierce do not build a " 75 ' tower ladder " , only 95' -100 ' midmounts . How can they bid ?
                Ferrara builds both an 85' and 100' midmount (Smeal aerial devices) and Pierce builds a 95' midmount. While I generally think these FDNY speculation threads are silly (who CARES what they buy?), I will say that, HYPOTHETICALLY, it's entirely possible that IF they're considering going away from the telescoping boom design of the Scope to a more traditional ladder tower design, would it really be inconceivable that they would also consider 85' and 100' heights? And of course they run 95' towers so the Pierce would fit that bill already.

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                • #9
                  I gotta ask why everybody is concerned as to what the FDNY may or may not buy. Does it really matter if a ladder company in Queens is responding to a fire in a Seagrave or a Pierce?
                  FTM-PTB

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                  • #10
                    Or an Isuzu/GMC with a cherry picker on the back

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                    • #11
                      Why does FDNY like the 75' ??? Anyone know why they don't go bigger? Or is it simply because that's as tall as aerialscopes go.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RFRDxplorer
                        Why does FDNY like the 75' ??? Anyone know why they don't go bigger? Or is it simply because that's as tall as aerialscopes go.
                        Scopes are made in both 75' and 95' flavors. FDNY has some of each.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RFRDxplorer
                          Why does FDNY like the 75' ??? Anyone know why they don't go bigger? Or is it simply because that's as tall as aerialscopes go.
                          Anyone know why Chicago wears 3/4 gear instead of bunkers? Is it because it looks cooler? How about they wear it cus it works for them. FDNY orders their ladders the way they work for them.

                          My rant is done......
                          FTM-PTB

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RFRDxplorer
                            Why does FDNY like the 75' ??? Anyone know why they don't go bigger? Or is it simply because that's as tall as aerialscopes go.
                            The answer to your query lies in the answer to the following question...

                            What is the height of 90% of the NFP MD's in the city?

                            FTM-PTB

                            PS- Some of the larger appratus won't fit in our small quarters. For example in Manhattan there are only three-95ft. TL's. Ladder Co's, 9,12&14.
                            Last edited by FFFRED; 10-29-2006, 08:56 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Fred,lemee take a stab at this one.Hmmmn,under 75'? OK so far? Plus you can set a 75 up in a narrower space than a 95. T.C.

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