Manufacturers of new Saulsbury type rear mount pumpers?

[SBrooks]

Does anyone currently manufacture a pumper similar to the one's saulsbury used to make on Spartan chassis? I believe they were Saulsbury's 'Scorpion' model.

[BlitzfireSolo]

I would say that Crimson and ALF's RD Murray facility have taken on most of the post-Saulsbury heavy rescue and rear-mount pump customers. Crimson has probably taken on more of the "Scorpion" style pumpers, all on Spartan's, and they're in the process of building their second "Wombat". ALF has built a bunch on their own chassis, most of them being the mid-engines for Phoenix, but they've also built at least one on a Gladiator (Post-Saulsbury customer).

Rosenbauer is pushing big into the expanding U.S. rear-pump market, which makes sense given their international experience. Pierce will do fine, if you want to choose from the limited number of configurations they offer (body design, tank sizes, preconnect locations, etc). KME has taken on a few, as have many of the smaller builders. Precision has built a number of rear-mounts, Custom Fire has done some (they like to use midship pumps at the rear, for some reason), and Marion has done a lot of Post-Saulsbury business, though mostly on their heavy rescues (I guess you would know about that!).

If I might ask, was this just out of curiosity, or do you know somebody that is interested in building one?

[sven73]

Pierce has also been manufacturing a rear mount pumper for several years now.

[Ledebuhr1]

Check out Liberty Bay Wis, They have a new rear mount on a spartan chassis, built by Crimson. Oh boy was it expensive.

[BlitzfireSolo]

Like I said, Pierce is fine if you want their configuration - and it is a pretty nice setup - just don't ask for anything else.

Yes, Sister Bay was the first Crimson Wombat I was referring to. Ours is the second. Not quite as expensive, though.

[SBrooks]

No real reason, just playing games in my head.

Any links to these? Anyone?

I've seen the sister bay truck, it's good to see people pushing the envelope, though I'd generally prefer something smaller - the old 3 compartment Saulsbury's were what I was looking for.

[skipatrol8]

is this it?

although its a pierce, its pretty heavy on features. http://www.yorkvillagefire.com/ogunquitengine31.html. i'd say rosenbauer makes a good product. e-one has also started this, they deliverd several to tallahse Fl.

[npfd801]

There's quite a few rear mounts being built by Rosenbauer. I would say at least half of the engines being built by the General Safety division are rear-mount pumpers, but that's a guess. Quite a few come out of the Central facility as well. Forth Worth and Plano TX are running rear mount General Safety units, and have been for quite some time.

Heck, someone on the forums here is waiting for two rear mount pumpers with interior top mount panels that will be built by Rosenbauer...

**DISCLAIMER - I sell Rosenbauer** Don't listen to what I have to say if that bothers you.

Not to pick on any one builder, but I'd be really curious how many rear mounts each builder is doing. Crimson on the outside looks much bigger than they are (in my opinion), but I have no idea what sort of volume they do. They have a beautiful new facility, but it isn't huge, so if they're building a lot of rigs, they're ultra efficient. Obviously, ALF isn't small time, but I wonder how they all compare when you take into consideration Pierce's size (but just what percentage are rear-mount pumps?), and then throwing in Rosenbauer, with a pretty good business by itself building rear mount pump equipped W/UI rigs besides conventional rear mount pumpers - it would be an interesting breakdown to see who really is building the most rear mount pumpers... Just some food for thought.

And before anyone on here accusses me of picking on any one builder - just because you build the most of anything, it in no way way makes you the best at doing it.

I think I worded this in the least inflammatory means possible...

[BlitzfireSolo]

True, Sister Bay’s rig is big, but I think that it is actually quite a small, compact package, considering its capability: 2,000gpm pump with CAFS, 2,000 gallons water and 100 foam, exceeds NFPA truck company ground ladder compliment, 30kW generator, light mast, generous compartmentation, 2,000 feet of 5” LDH, 7 preconnects, all on a 195” wheelbase. That easily blows away even your typical top-mount rescue pumper with a 750 gallon tank – commonly with WB’s in the 230” range.


A few rear-mounts:

Crimson:
http://www.lsfd.net/images/equipment/E2032_006.jpg
http://www.northgreecefd.com/stations/station1.asp
http://www.crimson-fire.com/crimson/...DeliveryID=379
http://www.maytownedfd.com/apparatus.php
http://www.crimson-fire.com/crimson/...DeliveryID=475
http://www.crimson-fire.com/crimson/...hio%20show.JPG

ALF:
http://www.guildernet.com/gfd/gallery/e26.shtml
http://laddertowers.com/Diversions/d...n=800&type=jpg
http://laddertowers.com/Diversions/d...n=800&type=jpg
http://www.kimbertonfire.org/apparatus.htm
http://www.kimbertonfire.org/news.htm (bottom of page)

Rosenbauer:
http://www.1strespondernews.com/webp...4-554685cb1449
http://www.rosenbaueramerica.com/App...ageDetailId=92
http://www.rosenbaueramerica.com/App...ageDetailId=90

Pierce:
http://www.piercemfg.com/apparatus/r...scuepumper.cfm
http://www.piercemfg.com/new_deliver...62&Type=pumper
http://www.piercemfg.com/new_deliver...11&Type=pumper
http://www.piercemfg.com/new_deliver...79&Type=pumper
http://www.firematic.com/trucksnew/h...rescue_pumper/

KME:
http://fire.kovatch.com/Default.aspx?tabid=82

Precision:
http://precisionfireapparatus.com/newdel.html
http://precisionfireapparatus.com/Margar.html

Custom:
http://www.deforestfire.com/apparatus.php
http://www.customfire.com/d_pumper.php?id=446251c5d188e

Marion:
http://fireandrescue.marionbody.com/...ge?item_id=168

Here’s Alan Saulsbury’s Tempest Plastisol body for a Spartan/Alexis rear-mount pumper:
http://www.alexisfire.com/FireEquipm...Grove1952.html

[BlitzfireSolo]

npfd, I would agree that Rosenbauer is one of the highest volume producers of rear-mounts in the U.S.. However, I think that in terms of previous Saulsbury customers, they have not quite infiltrated the Northeast. They have started, though, and the Morristown engine is actually one of my favorite Post-Saulsbury rear-mounts.

Crimson focused on stainless early and has John Greible in New York, which has given them a lot of old Saulsbury Customers. ALF Hamburg has done the same, and the Phoenix order alone has probably given them at least as many rear-mount pumpers as any other manufacturer in the past couple of years.

[WCENG23]

Toyne made a nice unit for Dravosburg, PA. It is still listed on their deliveries page.

www.toyne.com

[npfd801]

You make a very good point. I neglected to remember that the bulk of Saulsbury's business was indeed in their backyard.

[NewJerseyFFII]

To:npfd801, Do you have any information on the RK Aerials 75' Midmount Platform , O.A.L. , O.A.H. , base cost , Etc. ?

[npfd801]

I don't know if I'm violating the service agreement with Firehouse by this, but I'll do my best to get you in touch with your local dealer.

I really come on here to learn, share experiences and knowledge and toss out some ideas, not push the product that I represent.

Shoot me a PM if you get a chance.

[BlitzfireSolo]

Forgot one of my all time favorites: General's version of the Scorpion rear-pump....that just happens to have a 75' Telesquirt.

http://www.southtrailfire.org/images/ST320_2.JPG