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We're DONE! WHEW! TOYNE WINS!

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  • We're DONE! WHEW! TOYNE WINS!

    Wow. After 6 years of planning, spec'ing, meeting after meeting, etc etc etc. we finally signed the contract today with Toyne for our new pumper. We had 6 bids alltogether, but Toyne came out as the top runner. They weren't the cheapest nor most expensive, but paid close attention to what WE wanted.

    TOYNE 1500GPM pumper on a Spartan Gladiator (Classic Series) Chassis. Will have a C-13 Cat engine (430HP) through an Allison Tranny. Cab will be the 10" raised style with seating for 8. Body will be a "quad" style (like our current Duplex-Quality) Stainless steel, with ground ladders on hydraulic racks on both sides totalling 95 feet. Lower compartments will be standard, (rear compt will be "through") and there will be two upper "Baltimore" style compartments. Pump will be Waterous, and shall be equipped with a Pneumax/FoamPro CAFS system. Water tank will be 600 gallons, and 50 foam. As a side note, the membership of the company voted overwhelmingly to go back to a solid, all-red paint scheme (with white scotchlite stripes) The terror reign of yellow is OVER!

    This truck is significant for two reasons: believed to be the first TOYNE in Eastern Pa, and also believed to be the last Spartan Chassis with a "2006" engine.

    Just wanted to brag! As a member of the committee, I feel like telling everyone, kind of like when my wife was pregnant!
    "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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    Who did you get bids from ? What were the bid prices ? What took so long ?

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    • #3
      Congrats on being done with that part. Just remember lots more fun to come. Hope the unit meets all your needs for years to come

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sta22BeaverCoPA
        Who did you get bids from ? What were the bid prices ? What took so long ?
        For reasons of being politically correct, I will not go into prices. Bidders are listed as follows, in no particular order; and the reasons they were or were not considered:

        Seagrave: Proposal was very close to our spec, but they were way over budget.

        Smeal: Proposal was tossed due to several major exceptions/deviations from our spec.

        General Safety: Proposal tossed due to several major exceptions/deviations from our spec.

        Pierce: Proposal was tossed due to many major exceptions/deviations from our spec.

        In the end, it was Marion and Toyne. After crunching the numbers and the specs/proposals, we selected Toyne.

        Toyne: Felt to be "the biggest bang for the bucks."
        Last edited by FWDbuff; 05-19-2006, 08:46 AM.
        "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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        • #5
          Congrats on the purchase ...............

          What no Pierce ??????????
          IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT !
          Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here !
          ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown)
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          I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?
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          http://www.firehouse.com/forums/show...60#post1137060post 115

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          • #6
            I'm not trying to be an smart-azz, but who the hell is Toyne? Never heard of them. My department will be speccing an engine soon, and if Toyne is really that good we will certainly take a look at them.

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            • #7
              Toyne is a well reputed smaller regional builder out of Iowa. I have yet to hear anyone trash them, but I only know of one department reasonably close that runs them. Like a good friend says, if it has t*ts or tires, its going to give you trouble. Sorry for not being P.C. there. Everyone will have a mad customer at some point.

              At least they all took exceptions. We had a bid opening nearby where one builder claimed no exceptions, and before the spec had been completely checked, the committee found a couple of dozen serious exceptions to the way they wanted things. Nothing like being upfront.

              Pierce can chase other people's specs, they just usually don't want to. And it always comes with a cost, usually a pretty big one compared to other builders, if they have to deviate from their standard way of doing things.

              Was there one specific exception to the specs that everyone taking exception had trouble with?

              Sounds like a great truck. Our "quad" is coming in July. The tools we've ordered to outfit it are starting to arrive, I swear its like Christmas.
              "Share your knowledge - it's a way to achieve immortality." - Stolen from Chase Sargent's Buddy to Boss program

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Weruj1
                What no Pierce ??????????
                If Pierce had even come remotely, somewhat in the neighborhood of being close to our spec, we would have considered them. Had I known the salesman was going to submit what he did, I would have told him not to waste his (or ours) time.

                Bottom line: Pierce's bid was so far out that the dark side of it is -600 degrees F.

                As for the exceptions, most were due to compartment sizes being woefully out of our spec. We knew we wouldnt get precisely what we wanted, but several builders completely igonored our requests. Another builder was thrown out for spec'ing an aluminum body which we said absolutely HELL NO to, but they wouldnt build a stainless version of our spec- the would only build their "cookie cutter mass produced" truck out of stainless. Another builder wouldnt build a 96" wide truck- 102" only. And then there was the big one in Clintonville who came the closest to what we wanted next to Toyne, but we saw their price quote and had a heart attack.

                Many people have said "WHO?" to me when I say Toyne (Including me when I first heard of them a year ago.) Myself and one other member of the committee (who just happens to be my father) traveled out to Pittsburgh a few months ago to take a look. Pbgh has a few, and there are several volly companies around Pbgh that have Toynes. EXCELLENT stainless steel work, maybe just as nice as Saulsbury. EXCELLENT plumbing around the pump, and EXCELLENT overall attention to detail. I was highly impressed with them, and encourage anyone to take a look at their website www.toyne.com

                And weruj, stop trying to stir the schitt!
                Last edited by FWDbuff; 05-19-2006, 08:36 PM.
                "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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                • #9
                  How far away is the nearest " Toyne " sales & service dealer from your fire house in eastern Pa, !... Good luck with your new pumper from the Toyne company , not everyone can afford a new Seagrave or Pierce. Did your department check out " Hme".

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by NewJerseyFFII
                    How far away is the nearest " Toyne " sales & service dealer from your fire house in eastern Pa, !... Good luck with your new pumper from the Toyne company , not everyone can afford a new Seagrave or Pierce. Did your department check out " Hme".
                    We invited HME to bid on this truck, as we like their product. However, I believe they politely declined to bid due to what I think was their believing they couldnt build what we wanted.

                    As for Toyne's Dealer and Service, the nearest is Pittsburgh (we are near Philly.) Thats somewhere around 3-400 miles. However, Toyne has agreed to have any and all warranty/service work done, no questions asked within reason at the local Cat dealer, Allison dealer, etc etc etc. For body issues, anyone of our choosing.
                    "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by FWDbuff
                      Many people have said "WHO?" to me when I say Toyne (Including me when I first heard of them a year ago.) Myself and one other member of the committee (who just happens to be my father) traveled out to Pittsburgh a few months ago to take a look. Pbgh has a few, and there are several volly companies around Pbgh that have Toynes. EXCELLENT stainless steel work, maybe just as nice as Saulsbury. EXCELLENT plumbing around the pump, and EXCELLENT overall attention to detail. I was highly impressed with them, and encourage anyone to take a look at their website www.toyne.com
                      That's the Iowa work ethic for you! I think that is the same reason Lifeline Ambulance has been so successful nationally.

                      Glad to see you are kicking some money into my state's economy!

                      Congrats!
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                      • #12
                        Why do builders change a spec so much? If they cant buidl what you want, they should just say so. I am wondering if Pierce was saying "no thank you" when they turned in the spec with so many changes.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by FWDbuff
                          As for Toyne's Dealer and Service, the nearest is Pittsburgh (we are near Philly.) Thats somewhere around 3-400 miles. However, Toyne has agreed to have any and all warranty/service work done, no questions asked within reason at the local Cat dealer, Allison dealer, etc etc etc. For body issues, anyone of our choosing.
                          Make sure that you have the warranty repair facility specifics in writing. I have not heard anything bad about Toyne but like has been said already, everyone builds a lemon from time to time. Just don't get hosed. Good luck!!!

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                          • #14
                            Congratulations on the purchase. Our first-due pumper is a Toyne, and at 15 years old is still running strong. Toyne is, in my opinion, a very good manufacturer and they build a very good truck that will take a lot of abuse. I don't think you'll have any complaints with them. Good luck with your new truck.

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                            • #15
                              We're DONE! WHEW! TOYNE WINS!

                              I didn't know there was a race.

                              The real winner here is the dept if the truck holds up and the dealer does his part. Keep us informed on the progress. Be nice to read about something other then P.E.A.K. trucks.
                              That's Pierce, E One, ALF, and KME.

                              Good luck!

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