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  • #16
    Hey BlackJack, I like the Rhino lining, will bring that up at the next new truck committee meeting.

    Where are you? Is the Telma one of the electric "Jake" brakes? We considered one, but have heard they don't mix well with road salt, went with a traditional Jake instead.

    I'd love to hear from you again, what you think about the truck once you get it (lets see, you said it would be delivered in 4 weeks, that's manufacturer time, in fire fighter time you should have it by December 23rd ). and again in 6 months. We were very happy with the specs of our new tower and rescue pumper, and for the most part with the trucks themsleves, but there are things which might be done differently next time.

    Which brings me to a great point, I read this in one of the fire magazines and think it is a great idea: The time to spec out your next truck is right after you get the newest one. As you walk around the truck you'll find yourself saying "Damn, we should have said to do this..." over and over. Spend a couple of days doing this with the whole crew, come up with a new set of specs, then put it with a copy of the real specs in a file box labeled "IN CASE OF NEW FIRE TRUCK, BREAK OPEN AND READ" so that in 5, 10, or even 20 years from now, the new spec committee won't make the same mistakes.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Fire304
      Is the Telma one of the electric "Jake" brakes? We considered one, but have heard they don't mix well with road salt, went with a traditional Jake instead.
      Telma's site is under construction.

      The big problem I see with these are the load they place on the electrical system. I believe they are 4 stages, and that each stage requires 50 amps. So if all 4 are engaged, you're suddenly drawing 200 amps. Hmm... now how big is our alternator? And what else do we have running? Q2B, electronic siren, red blinkies, A/C, etc...

      I'd rather keep the strain on the 12V system low...well, low enough so that having a REAL siren [read Q2B] isn't a problem.

      Rhino lining was on my A-list for E1, and more recently, R1. Heh, didn't fly. $$$. At the local Rhino installer, they have info on using Rhino liner to rehab old engines, and even to seal tanks and tank baffles. I think it's a great idea though that probably pays for itself over the life of the vehicle.
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      • #18

        Here is a 1997 Pierce 75' Rear Mount quint with 500 gallons of water

        We have had some small problem with it.

        It is do to be replaced by an Engine in 2015

        Look at the pics...its not to fun to rack hose on this truck.


        • #19
          CTS2686, what kind of problems are you having or had and why did your department decide to replace it with an Engine instead of another Quint or a Ladder?

          Wandering some of the differnces, pros, cons, etc. to a tandem vs. a single axle? How close to GVW with a single axle? We are wanting to run this basically as an engine with a stick so we don't use an Engine. We have two other Engine's and are replacing the third with this truck, but are trying not to loose the "third Engine" and gain a "Ladder" at the same time. Any Feedback?

          For those of you that have Quint's, Ladder's, Tower's, etc. single and tandem axles, may we contact you via e-mail, phone etc. for questions/comments? Thanks again!


          • #20
            If your set on buying a quint, there are many things to look at.

            #1) Determine the function and mission of the proposed rig. Is it a pumper with an elevated master stream or a ladder truck with its own capability to generate a water supply. This is key to determining what type of rig you spec. If it is running as your Truck Co. you have need for more of that type of equipment and for different apparatus placement on the fireground which may change current SOP's. If it is running as an Engine Co. you need to make sure you can carry all the hose, fittings, adapters, etc. for a 1st in pumper crew and also have a tank that is of usable size. If you are gonna carry CAFS this another space occupying system that needs to be thought of up front, not after the fact. This is where the decision on what tools to carry and what tools not to carry is made. The only way to determine this is to decide how its gonna operate on the fire ground. Another consideration is colateral assignments. Is this rig gonna carry your rescue tools for vehicle extrications, swift water equipment, killer bee attack equipment, hazardous materials gear, etc? This can vastly effect your compartment space requirements.

            #2) DO NOT automatically decide you need a 75' or 100' length aerial or that you have to have a platform, snorkel or straight stick based upon what you want. Do a needs assessment of your 1st due area. Look at the buildings closely. Not just the height of them, but the set back from the road. When we speced our ladder tower in my volunteer department, we quickly learned that we needed a 95' or greater aerial because of the set backs we had, not the building height.

            #3) After you determine length, look at the type of aerial you need. There are 3 criteria we used for this part: A) Fire flow requirements. Do you have alot of 200,000+ square foot warehouses, garden apartment buildings, etc. like we do that need the most water you can develop by way of 2 monitors in a platform, or would 1500GPM from a single monitor on a straight stick do the trick. B) Do you have many multiple occupancies, old folks homes, hotles/motels, etc. where evacuation is a primary consideration? C) What are the most common roof structure types you have and do you do true roof ventialtion work. If your department does open roofs, are you faced with mostly pitched roofs or mostly flat roofs. It is safer, easier and more efficient to vent from the bucket that the tip of a straight stick.

            #4) Now you can narrow and more closely define the specific type of aerial you need. By this point you should know if you are leaning towards a straight stick or ladder tower. This is where you need to look at your station, your road height clearnaces, etc. Decide if a rear mount ladder tower fit in your station or if a mid mount version is the only one that will fit. Confirm that the rear mount straight stick does fit down your streets and that you do not need a mid mount. Drive your territory with the demo rigs and make sure these rigs fit down EVERY street in your 1st due, not just the main drags. It would be a total slap in the face of your members by denying them a valuable tool to use as well as the citizens which the rig was bought to serve and protet. Additionally the black eye the department would take would be very embarrasing. I know your guys can hump the ladders in and bring the tools with them, but the cord reels, the aerial and the generator are gonna sit on the rig at the end of the block.

            These are just some considerations we kept in mind when specing our Ladder Tower and our Tele-Squrt. There were about 20 other issues we considered also, if your interested in what they were let me know.

            Stay low and move it in.
            Last edited by STATION2; 08-18-2003, 08:18 PM.
            Stay low and move it in.

            Be safe.



            • #21
              I think in most cases you are better off buying a demo. You get more for your money. With the exception of maybe a dozen quints almost all are cookie cutter designs. So all the talk about I have a custom quint isn't really true anyway. Most have standard body work, then a few dozen extras bolted on. Unless you are doing a Loveland with a quint single axle and 750 tank, Fallon with 2000 tank and half mile of 5 inch, Charlotte with 2500 tank, you're really just paying extra for a new build demo.

              We bought two 75'ers last Christmas with 2000 gpm, 500 tanks, foam, hallide floods, squirrel tails, Cyclone 2 cabs, 450 hp, allow wheels, dual rotorays, ton of attack lines, 2200 foot 5" beds for $408,000 each


              • #22

                We looked at a 70', platform, midmount, single axle, 500 gal. tank, 1500 g.p.m. pump, 6 man cab, with 2 stabilizers (not outriggers, so you cannot short-jack this truck, sets up at a max. of 6 degree slope) etc. anyone know any information on these trucks (goo/bad/ugly)!?! Thanks again! You all have really been alot of help and we really do appreciate your help and input!
                Last edited by fireresq30637; 08-21-2003, 07:14 PM.


                • #23
                  Problems with single axel

                  We have a 65' Pierce single axel quint. Many problems with springs/shackles. Truck leaned to right rear. After spring re-arch it leans to left front and pulls. Be careful on weight.


                  • #24
                    Originally posted by hazenfd
                    We bought two 75'ers last Christmas with 2000 gpm, 500 tanks, foam, hallide floods, squirrel tails, Cyclone 2 cabs, 450 hp, allow wheels, dual rotorays, ton of attack lines, 2200 foot 5" beds for $408,000 each
                    HazenFD, can you contact me off line at [email protected]? I have a couple of questions for ya. Thanks!
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