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    We are in the VERY EARLIEST phase of planning for a pumper/tender to replace an engine and a tender. The why is simple, staffing. We will still have an additional engine and an additional tender. So what has anyone done that they consider innovative, cool, or just plain mandatory in their mind?



    If you have pics that would be even better. Thanks.

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  • #2
    I'd go through the "Recent Deliveries" section of different builders to see if there's something you like. I know Pierce has the blueprints you can download, not sure if anyone else does, but a lot of times there's good photos.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
      We are in the VERY EARLIEST phase of planning for a pumper/tender to replace an engine and a tender. The why is simple, staffing. We will still have an additional engine and an additional tender. So what has anyone done that they consider innovative, cool, or just plain mandatory in their mind?



      If you have pics that would be even better. Thanks.
      We have had this about a year now. It is amazingly agile for the size. Just over 37' long 2000 gpm / 2800 gallons. 500hp X12 Cummins. We basically did what you are saying. Replaced an engine 1750/1000 and tender 500/1800 with this truck. Technically the tender is still in the station but that was to make sure everyone got use to the new trucks.

      HME had it on their website as a new delivery video last summer.

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      • #4
        Holy crap, this kind of question in year's past would have brought dozens of responses and several arguments over what brand to buy.

        Thanks for your responses.
        Crazy, but that's how it goes
        Millions of people living as foes
        Maybe it's not too late
        To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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        • #5
          When we did ours in 2008, size was the limiting factor. And that will probably be true for anyone. How big can you go without being unmanageable?

          For us, 32' long and 10' high were the limits. The bigger the vehicle can be, the more it can do. For us, the necessities were 4 crosslays, 1500' of 5", quick dumps operated from the driver seat, portable pond, and SCBA storage.

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          • #6
            A couple things we did was, one, put a length of hard suction on top of the hydraulic dump tank rack so it would be handy. Beats having to crawl up to the top to get it down. Another was to put scba brackets that extended out and fold down in the driver's side center compartment. It'll be lower to get them out of the truck as well as to put them back in. Since we have a 2 door chassis we needed to put 4 scba in a compartment.
            Jack Boczek, Chief
            Ashley Community Fire Protection District

            FLATLANDERS FOREVER!

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            • #7
              Prior to applying for an AFG, we investigated factory 6X6 (AWD) commercial chassis that would handle a big block diesel to handle our terrain. NFPA 1901 recommends ESC (Electronic Stability Control) if the calculated center of gravity (above ground) is over 80% of the tracking distance of the rear wheels. If you are looking at a tandem axle 2,500 - 4,000 gallon tanker/tender, it is almost impossible to meet NFPA 1901 without ESC. About the only way to meet NFPA 1901 without ESC is to have the apparatus 40-45 feet long, thus lowering the height of the water tank and the center of gravity.

              The problem is that ESC must be tested with every different chassis application. This testing is costly. When you consider that only Kenworth and Western Star offer a factory 6X6 AWD with about 66,000 GVWR and greater than 500 HP big block diesels, your options are limited. (After market 6X6 conversions usually cost around $20,000 to $30,000 more than a factory 6x6). Add to the equation, the fact that no Tanker/Tender tandem axle 6X6 fire apparatus chassis offers ESC. Primarily because of the small number of units produced and the cost of testing the final application of ESC.

              To make a long story short, only Kenworth's brake supplier was willing to offer a 6X6 AWD tandem axle fire apparatus application with ESC, And only if the ESC is automatically disabled when AWD is selected. It took about a year to get all this resolved. We still don't have the funding.

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              • #8
                Go with at least a single 4" on the tank to pump (neighbor has dual 4" tank to pump lines).

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mitchkrat View Post
                  Go with at least a single 4" on the tank to pump (neighbor has dual 4" tank to pump lines).
                  I second that. We have dual 4" lines with 3" valves for the tank to pump. I wish our tank fill / recirculation line (2") was bigger.

                  Tank gauges....One on every side plus in the cab. And not those obnoxiously huge ones. Simple is good.
                  Gated rear intake(s) - Make sure you have a large sign with max fill pressure
                  Electric / Air dumps - Don't put someone between the rig and the portable pond and have them operable on the ground and in the cab

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