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  • Engine options

    Are we now down to 'Do you want Cummins or Cummins ?'

    I believe Pierce offers a Ford option in one of their entry level custom lines, but other than that it seems like everyone offers the same combination of Cummins with Allison 3000/4000 transmissions.

    Is there any manufacturer of custom fire apparatus left that offers Detroit engines ?

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    Pierce Manufacturing offers the Detroit DD13 in their Enforcer, Velocity, ArrowXT and Quantum chassis.
    GRC063

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    • #3
      What's wrong with Cummins? We have an ISL370 in our latest engine and it is very reliable and has great power.
      Crazy, but that's how it goes
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      • #4
        Originally posted by grc063 View Post
        Pierce Manufacturing offers the Detroit DD13 in their Enforcer, Velocity, ArrowXT and Quantum chassis.
        Good to know. Funny, we are Pierce shop and that's the one mfgr I forgot to check.

        Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
        What's wrong with Cummins? We have an ISL370 in our latest engine and it is very reliable and has great power.
        We are a mixed shop, older Detroits and all the more recent equipment with Cummins. May just be a sampling error and a result of old vs. new, but while the D60s just keep ticking, there is always something expensive broke on the Cummins. ECUs that forget their programming, holed piston, grenaded turbo, misc. accessories that just fall off. I know, they are supposed to be great and commercial customers run them to a million miles, it just has been a run of expensive problems in our low-mileage environment.

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        • #5
          Take a look at the various engine manufacturers websites and google the EPA Diesel Emissions updates that have occurred. I think more than one have just said it was too much to deal with the emissions updates that were needed for the over the road applications. Everything is more complicated than the diesels of days gone by. For the most part I think Cummins has been the one willing to make the effort to say in the over the road market.

          Even look at the commercial trucks like Navistar, Peterbuilt, etc. What options to they have? They sell a lot more than fire apparatus chassis manufacturer will in a year.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ChiefDog View Post
            Take a look at the various engine manufacturers websites and google the EPA Diesel Emissions updates that have occurred. I think more than one have just said it was too much to deal with the emissions updates that were needed for the over the road applications. Everything is more complicated than the diesels of days gone by. For the most part I think Cummins has been the one willing to make the effort to say in the over the road market.
            The stuff that has been falling off the current engines isn't even emissions related. Coolant elbows that disintegrate, electronic doodads and hardcore mechanical stuff. If this was just the EPA equipment acting up, I would be the first one to blame them, but its more widespread than that.

            Even look at the commercial trucks like Navistar, Peterbuilt, etc. What options to they have? They sell a lot more than fire apparatus chassis manufacturer will in a year.
            Well,

            - Peterbuilt uses Paccar
            - International uses their own home-brew engines plus Cummins and Navistar.
            - Kenworth uses Paccar.
            - Volvo uses their own engine.
            - Mack uses their own engine and Cummins.
            - Western Star uses Detroit and Cummins.
            - Freightliner uses Detroit and Cummins.
            - Nobody uses Cat ;-)

            It seems that for over the road and vocational applications, there are about 5 different options: Cummins/Paccar, Navistar, Volvo, Mack and Detroit. All of them have managed to somehow keep the EPA overloards happy enough to let them sell engines. For fire apparatus, with the exception of Pierce, it seems to be mostly Cummins. I really wonder why that is.
            Last edited by Too_Old; 11-01-2018, 11:01 PM.

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            • #7
              In the year or so between two pumper purchases by our fire district, "emissions" requirements increased the cost of the truck by some $3,500. As we were constrained on the budget, that took out $3,500 worth of fire truck.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Too_Old View Post
                - Nobody uses Cat ;-)
                Caterpillar is building OTR trucks now too. What engines do they put in those trucks? Or was the OTR trucks just a few years worth of experiment and they aren't making them any more?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dfelix22000us View Post
                  Caterpillar is building OTR trucks now too. What engines do they put in those trucks? Or was the OTR trucks just a few years worth of experiment and they aren't making them any more?
                  They tried to get into the dump truck business leveraging their worldwide sales and service organization for machinery and off-road trucks. They pulled back from that business after a couple of years. I believe someone else built the entire rig for them and it was mostly a marketing deal, like the work-boots.

                  Just looked it up. Yes Navistar built the entire thing, down to the engine. I don't think CAT offers their own engines for any on-road applications.

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                  Last edited by Too_Old; 11-05-2018, 06:05 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Too_Old View Post

                    They tried to get into the dump truck business leveraging their worldwide sales and service organization for machinery and off-road trucks. They pulled back from that business after a couple of years. I believe someone else built the entire rig for them and it was mostly a marketing deal, like the work-boots.

                    Just looked it up. Yes Navistar built the entire thing, down to the engine. I don't think CAT offers their own engines for any on-road applications.

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                    Cat ran into a LOT of problems when all the EPA emissions stuff came into effect, so they pulled out of the OTR truck engine sector, and now just do engines for equipment and gensets, maybe some marine applications too.

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