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  • Quad Concept

    Looking for some input. Our department is in the early stages of a truck committee to replace our primary attack engine. We do not have a ladder truck but are exploring the quad concept to maximize the ground ladders we carry. Ideally we would like to have a full ISO compliment of ground ladders, in the neighborhood of 150-160 feet. This may not be possible but we are exploring the options.

    We would like to minimize or eliminate thru the tank storage or tunnels since our last two trucks have them and we don't care for them. Although both of these are flat stored ladders and not beam resting which I am told is better. Ideally we would have two hydraulic ladder racks, one for each side of the truck. Does anyone have a 3 section 35' ladder ladder with a 24' or 28' 2 section and roof ladder that fits together on one rack?

    Basically looking for anyone with ideas for ladder storage that won't take away from water or storage space.
    Firefighter/CCEMT-P
    May we ride into the darkness only to return as safe as we started!!

  • #2
    We have an engine that nearly fits the quad designation I would suppose. It was built after we put an aerial out of service and didn't think it would be replaced. Has a 24 and 14 through the tank, and a 35 and 16 on a hydraulic rack. Add in the other ladders and it has something like 99 feet of ground ladders. Not answering your question, but we ended up with a new aerial (75' quint), which doesn't have as many ground ladders as I would like, so I'm glad it has some extra ground ladders on it. We also have another engine that carries a 35, 24 and 14, so we're fortunate to have a bunch of ground ladders if needed.

    There are some companies that build a solid enough ladder rack that can handle the kind of weight you're talking. I'm almost certain Toyne's design can, I would suspect the single arm Rosenbauer design might be able to. Many I know cannot. I sold Toyne at one point in a prior life, and I'm sure I had seen a 24, 14, hard suctions and drop tank on a ladder rack of a rig they delivered

    If you can tolerate not having full depth, full height compartments, ladders can be on beam next to the tank and still leave 12 inch deep upper compartments. A little longer body could probably get you 28' on beam in the body. A 35' two fly would be neat on a ladder rack.
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    • #3
      Thanks for the input. Ideally I would like to fit them all on racks but we will have to see. This is a next step for us. Our last rescue pumper we got with a 35, 28 and 14 foot ladder. We have an increase in larger apartment building 2 and 3 stories, just looking ahead to the future some with capability and ISO credits.
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      May we ride into the darkness only to return as safe as we started!!

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      • #4
        911WACKER,

        Just something to consider. Depending upon how you operate and what you want, would it work to have one or two ladders stored on the beam on the right side of apparatus beside the tank and behind the ladder rack? Then you could put additional ladders on the ladder rack.

        I'm not a fan personally of the two arm ladder rack when compared to the single arm ladder rack. Reason being that you lose about the same amount of compartment space but have to duck in order to access an upper compartment when the ladder rack is down.

        Another thought, all depending upon height restrictions and ladder rack capacity. Would it work to have a ladder rack where the ladders rest on the beam when the rack is upright and when lowered are stacked horizontally? Never seen it but I've often thought it would be practical because you could take off the ladder you want without having to remove any others.

        Walt
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        • #5
          Originally posted by FFWALT View Post
          911WACKER,

          Just something to consider. Depending upon how you operate and what you want, would it work to have one or two ladders stored on the beam on the right side of apparatus beside the tank and behind the ladder rack? Then you could put additional ladders on the ladder rack.

          I'm not a fan personally of the two arm ladder rack when compared to the single arm ladder rack. Reason being that you lose about the same amount of compartment space but have to duck in order to access an upper compartment when the ladder rack is down.

          Another thought, all depending upon height restrictions and ladder rack capacity. Would it work to have a ladder rack where the ladders rest on the beam when the rack is upright and when lowered are stacked horizontally? Never seen it but I've often thought it would be practical because you could take off the ladder you want without having to remove any others.

          Walt
          We are considering all the options. As it stands now, we may have to tunnel store a set, which has the advantage of quicker deployment as apposed to the racks, it would be specified with beam resting storage and shoulder height which our current trucks are not. We were hoping to gain a full height rescue body with full depth all the way around but may have to sacrifice one side of the tank with shallower compartments.

          We are looking at the following ground ladder compliment:
          2 - 28' Extensions
          1 - 35' Extension (3 section)
          3 - 16' Roof ladders
          1 - 14' Fresno Ladder
          1 - 14' Combination ladder

          Our area has many, very large Victorian era homes which are 2 1/2 - 3 stories. Many have been converted into multiple apartments, etc. Our standard ladder package is 28' and 16' because of this on all our apparatus. Our rescue pumper which is second due carries a 35' - 3 section in addition to the standard package. We do have 3 ladder companies in nearby communities within 5 miles of us but none carry a full ISO ground compliment. We just want to be sure we have what may be needed to cover the buildings we have.
          Firefighter/CCEMT-P
          May we ride into the darkness only to return as safe as we started!!

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          • #6
            I would dump at least one of the 16 foot roofs and go with a 20 footer instead. Also I have a strong hatred for 3 section 35 foot ladders, but that is just me. I much prefer a 2 section 35.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
              I would dump at least one of the 16 foot roofs and go with a 20 footer instead. Also I have a strong hatred for 3 section 35 foot ladders, but that is just me. I much prefer a 2 section 35.
              That has been considered. Our goal is to have the overall length of the truck be no more than 33' from bumper to bumper. In doing so we will be restricted on ladder length. I would be tickled ****less if we could do a 2 section 35' and a 20'.
              Last edited by 911WACKER; 03-29-2018, 10:06 PM.
              Firefighter/CCEMT-P
              May we ride into the darkness only to return as safe as we started!!

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              • #8
                Gotcha. Believe me I understand.
                Crazy, but that's how it goes
                Millions of people living as foes
                Maybe it's not too late
                To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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