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  • #16
    Originally posted by rm1524 View Post
    Had the regulator freeze up one night and I thought I was going to cry, but a few mintues with a hair dryer on the regulator and I did have a GRILLED steak for dinner.
    Thats why I shut mine off at the tank before the burner and let it burn off every time. Never had a problem yet.
    "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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    • #17
      Originally posted by ffmedcbk1 View Post
      Very neat video.
      "A fire department that writes off civilians faster than an express line of 6 reasons or less is not progressive, it's dangerous, because it's run by fear. Fear does not save lives, it endangers them." -- Lt. Ray McCormack FDNY

      "Because if you don't think you're good, nobody else will." -- DC Tom Laun (ret) Syracuse

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      • #18
        Originally posted by FWDbuff View Post
        Thats why I shut mine off at the tank before the burner and let it burn off every time. Never had a problem yet.
        It happened while I was cooking.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Chenzo View Post
          Very neat video.
          Yes, that is one of them.

          There are a few others which I just found.

          You-tube "old lafd training videos" and you'll find stuff on pump operations, driving and tillering a tiller, company response and some other stuff from the late 40's.

          Obviously it's dated but it really very interesting.
          Train to fight the fires you fight.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Reliance View Post
            I always thought that a wagon was small & red with little whhels that you pulled around as a kid with your new tricycle.
            Like this?

            C6
            Attached Files

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Command6 View Post
              Like this?

              C6
              A little bit smaller but similiar

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              • #22
                To answer the original question:

                As several posters have pointed out, it stems from the days of two-piece engine companies, in which the hose wagon laid out and proceeded to the fire, and the pumper pumped the line(s) from the hydrant.

                Since two-piece companies are now a thing of the past (even in DC), a lot of departments will still refer to their engine as a "wagon", because - in any first-due scenario - it is laying out from the hydrant to the fire, just as the hose wagons used to do. If you were to refer to the "pumper" in a fire scenario, it would be the second (or fourth) arriving engine, which is pumping the hydrant (hence acting as a the "pumper" in days of old). Nobody wants to think of themselves as second-due all the time, so naturally you are going to refer to your single-piece engine company as a "wagon" and not a "pumper".

                Some volunteer houses that run two or more engines will refer to the piece that's currently running first-out as the wagon, and the second out as the pumper.

                "Engine" may be used interchangeably with "pumper", but more often nowadays "Engine" will refer, broadly, to the company/piece of apparatus, rather than its specific role.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by One13Truck View Post
                  I am glad that I wasn't the only one confused by this though. This part of Pa doesn't have any "Wagons" at least in an official name. Seeing them all over Md & Va I've been wondering what the difference between an "Engine" and "Wagon" to the point I've checked out the specs to see if it was certain equipment carried/not carried or if it were Wagons had had to have a certain amount of LDH or whatever & I couldn't figure it out.
                  When you figure out the technical difference between a "Ladder" and a "Truck", you will have figured out the difference between an "Engine" and a "Wagon".

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BlitzfireSolo View Post
                    When you figure out the technical difference between a "Ladder" and a "Truck", you will have figured out the difference between an "Engine" and a "Wagon".
                    Well said. I still would rather call it a pumper though

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                    • #25
                      Speaking ONLY for MY early years here there was a difference. The Engine carried SOME hose,booster tank and the nozzless,Deck gun and the 2 Scotts.The WAGON carried hose,1800' of it, 250 tank,almost NO appliances,and two ground ladders. As the others have alluded it was a HOSE wagon,designed to connect a hydrant to the attack engine or connect Two Engines. GENERALLY didn't do anything else so it wasn't considered an Engine. T.C.

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