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  • #16
    Originally posted by Phaze View Post
    I don't know if anyone seen this, http://www.ferrarafire.com/CustomerS...roduction.html

    To meet it looks like the production itself is near completion, but not service. Does anyone know the companies that will be using these (pieces of junk)

    But after all a truck is only as good as its specs.
    Actually, it is a certainty that Ferrara and the FDNY truck committee have spent many hours together by now. Either side could have pulled the plug if they were not committed. You can all sympathize with the ramifications if the city had to stop things and regroup. The other side is the expense Ferrara has had to incur just to get this far. Things could very well go south on either side.

    That said, it sure is easy to sit on the sidelines and throw snark. Personally, I have always been a competitor of Ferrara and do not personally care for Chris. I also know and like a lot of his employees, current, past and present (which seems to be most of them, if you know what I mean.) They make a decent piece of apparatus. Yes, they have had problems in the past but everyone does when they grow. Your opinion may cost them a sale or not but, the simple fact that FDNY even considered them gives them more credibility than your whining little post.

    Most likely, the first units will be accepted and the rest of the contract fulfilled. Then, time will tell. The City has a nasty habit of ending the careers of builders. Especially the ones they like. So, if you really hate Ferrara all that much you might be better off wishing they wildly succeed.

    So, specifically, what do you really think is "junk" about these units that are being custom built to FDNY specs? Also, what do you find so amusing about the city's specs? I have read their specs from a builder's standpoint and had nothing but heartburn. I would really be interested in your input since you seem to have a better handle on the situation than they do. [/sarcasm]

    Please, please let us all know where the city specs are so laughably sad. I am all ears.
    Last edited by firepundit; 03-08-2011, 12:02 AM. Reason: Grammar, @$#%#@%#$% grammar

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Phaze View Post
      I don't know if anyone seen this, http://www.ferrarafire.com/CustomerS...roduction.html

      To meet it looks like the production itself is near completion, but not service. Does anyone know the companies that will be using these (pieces of junk)

      But after all a truck is only as good as its specs.
      I'm not sure why but I think maybe 137 Truck is getting one of these units? I could be mistaken.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by firepundit View Post
        Actually, it is a certainty that Ferrara and the FDNY truck committee have spent many hours together by now. Either side could have pulled the plug if they were not committed. You can all sympathize with the ramifications if the city had to stop things and regroup. The other side is the expense Ferrara has had to incur just to get this far. Things could very well go south on either side.

        That said, it sure is easy to sit on the sidelines and throw snark. Personally, I have always been a competitor of Ferrara and do not personally care for Chris. I also know and like a lot of his employees, current, past and present (which seems to be most of them, if you know what I mean.) They make a decent piece of apparatus. Yes, they have had problems in the past but everyone does when they grow. Your opinion may cost them a sale or not but, the simple fact that FDNY even considered them gives them more credibility than your whining little post.

        Most likely, the first units will be accepted and the rest of the contract fulfilled. Then, time will tell. The City has a nasty habit of ending the careers of builders. Especially the ones they like. So, if you really hate Ferrara all that much you might be better off wishing they wildly succeed.

        So, specifically, what do you really think is "junk" about these units that are being custom built to FDNY specs? Also, what do you find so amusing about the city's specs? I have read their specs from a builder's standpoint and had nothing but heartburn. I would really be interested in your input since you seem to have a better handle on the situation than they do. [/sarcasm]

        Please, please let us all know where the city specs are so laughably sad. I am all ears.
        But he personally spoke to a couple of fdny guys who assured him that when the third full moon came they would all fall apart because they weren't seagraves.
        Anyone will have a hard time meeting the fdny warrantee contract issues and you are correct sir that it can make or break any builder.
        Kinda like the streets of NY can break anybodies truck.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
          There are other makers of tower ladders.
          Can you provide the name of another manufacturer of "tower ladders"? There are many manufacturer's of "ladder towers" that I am aware of...and there is a big difference between a tower ladder and ladder tower.
          A Fire Chief has ONLY 1 JOB and that's to take care of his fireman. EVERYTHING else falls under this.

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          • #20
            Why can't we get along.

            Originally posted by Phaze View Post
            My name is Keller Brown (call me Phaze) I am going to join the explorers program in a few years (About 1...) I know quite a bit of firefighting but you guys will have to lead the way. I hope that joining this forum, that I can be prepared. Tips are appreciated.

            ~Phaze
            This is a post by Mr. Phaze on 2/14/2011, I guess this sums up the years of experance that allowed for his opinion also the first hand knowledge to start this thread. Good luck in your Explorer program. and I with your continued growth in the fire service.
            Last edited by Skysthelimit; 03-08-2011, 10:21 AM. Reason: Wrong date

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Skysthelimit View Post
              This is a post by Mr. Phaze on 2/14/2011, I guess this sums up the years of experance that allowed for his opinion also the first hand knowledge to start this thread. Good luck in your Explorer program. and I with your continued growth in he fire service.
              Originally posted by Phaze View Post
              Oh excuse me (not said sarcastically)

              I do not know the exact specs of these vehicles. But I had a chance to speak with some FDNY firefighters who said they do not enjoy ferrara, and that seagrave is their preferred brand. I have had the chance of seeing FDNY Engine 54 (Ferrara) and HazMat 1 (Ferrara) not the best apparatus. However, if they prove good in the field, we will see...
              This isn't sarcastic, either. Get off of mommy and daddy's computer and go do your homework.
              "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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              • #22
                Originally posted by JTFIRE80 View Post
                Can you provide the name of another manufacturer of "tower ladders"? There are many manufacturer's of "ladder towers" that I am aware of...and there is a big difference between a tower ladder and ladder tower.
                Sutphen would be another

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by nameless View Post
                  Sutphen would be another
                  I believe you meant "Stuphen", right?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by JTFIRE80 View Post
                    Can you provide the name of another manufacturer of "tower ladders"? There are many manufacturer's of "ladder towers" that I am aware of...and there is a big difference between a tower ladder and ladder tower.
                    I view the Sutphen as a Tower Ladder. Unless it has the additional siderails the ladder is really nothing more than an escape ladder, just like the Aerialscope.
                    Crazy, but that's how it goes
                    Millions of people living as foes
                    Maybe it's not too late
                    To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
                      I view the Sutphen as a Tower Ladder. Unless it has the additional siderails the ladder is really nothing more than an escape ladder, just like the Aerialscope.
                      We actually have both, with our Sutphens. The SP95 doesn't have any side rails, but the SP70 does.

                      Consider it a personal plus, if you will, but I'm more comfortable with hand rails at any length.

                      FM1
                      I'm the one Fire and Rescue calls, when they need to be Rescued.

                      Originally posted by EastKyFF
                      "Firemens gets antsies. Theys wants to goes to fires. Sometimeses they haves to waits."

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by FireMedic049 View Post
                        I believe you meant "Stuphen", right?
                        I don't get it


                        Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
                        I view the Sutphen as a Tower Ladder. Unless it has the additional siderails the ladder is really nothing more than an escape ladder, just like the Aerialscope.
                        no matter what ladder is bolted to the boom, it still is a tower ladder. The construction of the escape ladder doesn't change the basic engineering of the aerial device.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by nameless View Post
                          I don't get it
                          Go read post #6 again.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by FIREMECH1 View Post
                            We actually have both, with our Sutphens. The SP95 doesn't have any side rails, but the SP70 does.

                            Consider it a personal plus, if you will, but I'm more comfortable with hand rails at any length.

                            FM1
                            When the neighbors of my previous department bought their 75', they didn't get handrails due to a door height issue.

                            When we bought our 95', we did, and yes, it makes one hell of a differnece in the ole' comfort level.
                            Train to fight the fires you fight.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Phaze View Post
                              I don't know if anyone seen this, http://www.ferrarafire.com/CustomerS...roduction.html

                              To meet it looks like the production itself is near completion, but not service. Does anyone know the companies that will be using these (pieces of junk)

                              But after all a truck is only as good as its specs.
                              Phaze, welcome to the fire service. Have you joined the Explorers yet? Joining an explorer program is an excellent idea and a great way to get into the service. I wish I'd gotten involved that early!

                              Now on to the flip side, your standing means that you have "ZERO" knowledge of the fire service. Absolutely none. You've never been in a fire and you are just at the point of joining an organization.

                              I was a volly for 6 years before being fortunate enough to be hired by the FDNY several years ago. You know how much I know about the fire service? Somewhere between a tiny little bit and a few things. Nothing is more dangerous than someone who says they have extensive knowledge.


                              On to our apparatus. Getting a look at a rig doesn't tell you what it amounts too. My house has both a Seagrave engine and rear-mount. They're rumbling rickety pieces of rusty metal. You might call them junk. The truckies can't WAIT for the new Ferrara to show up. That rig is going to be replaced by one of the 20 in this order.

                              I've said this before: It makes no difference who makes the rig. NONE. Its built to a spec and some specs work better than others. A lot of time went into the specs on the most recent orders and hopefully it pays off.
                              Last edited by FDsouthbxNY; 03-10-2011, 02:47 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by FDsouthbxNY View Post
                                Phase, welcome to the fire service. Have you joined the Explorers yet? Joining an explorer program is an excellent idea and a great way to get into the service. I wish I'd gotten involved that early!

                                Now on to the flip side, you standing means that you have "ZERO" knowledge of the fire service. Absolutely none. You've never been in a fire and you are just at the point of joining an organization.

                                I was a volly for 6 years before being fortunate enough to be hired by the FDNY several years ago. You know how much I know about the fire service? Somewhere between a tiny little bit and a few things. Nothing is more dangerous than someone who says they have extensive knowledge.


                                On to our apparatus. Getting a look at a rig doesn't tell you what it amounts too. My house has both a Seagrave engine and rear-mount. They're rumbling rickety pieces of rusty metal. You might call them junk. The truckies can't WAIT for the new Ferrara to show up. That rig is going to be replaced by one of the 20 in this order.

                                I've said this before: It makes no difference who makes the rig. NONE. Its built to a spec and some specs work better than others. A lot of time went into the specs on the most recent orders and hopefully it pays off.
                                Excellent post. Thank you for a different FDNY persepctive.
                                Crazy, but that's how it goes
                                Millions of people living as foes
                                Maybe it's not too late
                                To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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