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    My department is going to looking at a new ladder truck purchase. I would like to consider something in excess of 100'. Does anyone have any experience with a ladder this large that can share pro's and con's? I would really like to explore the idea of a 121' stick. We have been hampered many times in the past with our 75' stick not having the reach to be effective for the setbacks in our area.

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    Originally posted by firesarge69 View Post
    My department is going to looking at a new ladder truck purchase. I would like to consider something in excess of 100'. Does anyone have any experience with a ladder this large that can share pro's and con's? I would really like to explore the idea of a 121' stick. We have been hampered many times in the past with our 75' stick not having the reach to be effective for the setbacks in our area.
    E-One's offering a 137' aerial and I believe utilizing the same, "best on the market" jacking system and with their "never had a failure" reputation. I'm not a salesman nor a user actually, but I cannot overlook the facts as presented. If they'll build other features as you need, then I can't find fault with wanting their product.

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    • #3
      Of course you know that even with 200' ladder, there will be times when you'll say, "Man, if we just had 10 more feet of ladder."

      Ole' man Murphy.

      C6

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      • #4
        First of all, I think you need to define the reach you are looking for a little more clearly.

        If you're talking setbacks, then I take it to mean you're talking more so about side reach. Just be aware that when you get into these longer ladders like the 137' that you are going to have reduced tip loads while at full extension at 0 degrees. For a lot of people, this is OK and works great for them but its something you need to be aware of.

        In the case of the 137', you don't get the full 750 tip load until side reach is reduced to 82'. It's difficult to get much more side reach then that without a heavier chassis with that tall of a ladder.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by toddmcbr View Post
          First of all, I think you need to define the reach you are looking for a little more clearly.

          If you're talking setbacks, then I take it to mean you're talking more so about side reach. Just be aware that when you get into these longer ladders like the 137' that you are going to have reduced tip loads while at full extension at 0 degrees. For a lot of people, this is OK and works great for them but its something you need to be aware of.

          In the case of the 137', you don't get the full 750 tip load until side reach is reduced to 82'. It's difficult to get much more side reach then that without a heavier chassis with that tall of a ladder.
          Good advice, and something that should be investigated early in the process.

          C6

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          • #6
            Originally posted by toddmcbr View Post
            First of all, I think you need to define the reach you are looking for a little more clearly.

            If you're talking setbacks, then I take it to mean you're talking more so about side reach. Just be aware that when you get into these longer ladders like the 137' that you are going to have reduced tip loads while at full extension at 0 degrees. For a lot of people, this is OK and works great for them but its something you need to be aware of.

            In the case of the 137', you don't get the full 750 tip load until side reach is reduced to 82'. It's difficult to get much more side reach then that without a heavier chassis with that tall of a ladder.
            Smeal's 125 gives you 121' of reach horizontal.500# at the tip flowing water UNRESTRICTED. Just another one to add to the list. T.c.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by RFDACM02 View Post
              E-One's offering a 137' aerial and I believe utilizing the same, "best on the market" jacking system and with their "never had a failure" reputation. I'm not a salesman nor a user actually, but I cannot overlook the facts as presented. If they'll build other features as you need, then I can't find fault with wanting their product.
              Watched this ladder at work at the E-One plant. That is a long way to reach! Was flowing full volume a 0 degrees.
              "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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              • #8
                I hear ya on the reach! We, too went with a 105' stick primarily for horizontal reach. Our tallest buildings are two old mills, and are 4.5 stories each- and set right alongside the street. However, being in the sticks, we have MANY houses set well off the road often 50' plus in the village, hundreds outside... Also have two garden apartment complexes, a senior living community accessable on only 2 sides, a small strip mall, some light industrial, 3 large schools, etc.

                About the only time the stick is used for height is in drills and/or water tower mode.

                The guys are right on- make sure you do your research, and discuss with the manuf's EXACTLY what you plan on doing with your ladder. This is NOT a good application for an NFPA minimum light duty aerial.

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                • #9
                  I will keep these things in mind when I start my resaerch. Is the top fly section of the large ladders too narrow to be FF friendly or are they still workable? Our current ladder has a comfortable width on the top fly. By the way we set up on a working fire yesterday morning and came up about 20 feet short of reaching the gutter on the street side, very disapointing!

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                  • #10
                    The E-One 137 was plenty wide enough for an average guy.
                    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bones42 View Post
                      The E-One 137 was plenty wide enough for an average guy.
                      Regardless of length, I've always found that E-One's fly section is wider than any other ladder on the market.

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                      • #12
                        The top four fly sections of the five section 137' ladder are the same size as the four sections of the 110' ladder that Boston and many other departments run. The bottom fly is the same size as the bottom fly section of the 95' platform with the same outriggers as the 95' platform. They are hanging more fly sections off the end instead of a big platform.

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                        • #13
                          Sutphen sells a very nice 100' stright stick. It has a 3:1 safety factor and a 500 lb. tip load at any angle flowing water. I have ridden on Sutphen many times, that is what Dalton has. Very nice trucks. The ladder is very rigid and sound, though a bit bouncey without a platform

                          E-one's HP100 is also a very nice rig. It has a 550lb. tip load wet, but they don't specify what angles that is good for. It has a 2.5:1 safety factor rating. I have also ridden an E-One truck, that is what we have here at Havelock.

                          As you can see, they're very close in performance. The main difference is the box frame ladder that the Sutphen has, it is claimed to make it stronger. I really couldn't tell if that were true or not. Personally, I prefer the Sutphen, better built and they last longer chassis wise). Dalton has 3 E-One pumpers, they're not holding up nearly as well as the older Sutphen 100' tower Dalton has. Unfortunately, Sutphen doesn't offer anything over 100' in a straight stick, and only 110' in their platform option.

                          Good luck.
                          Last edited by firefightinirish217; 03-11-2011, 12:16 AM.

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                          • #14
                            If the E-One uses the same jacks as its 95 ft tower ladder you'll love the truck. The jacks set up in no time. No pinning, low to the ground(step over them) and if you can open the cab door fully, you can jack the truck.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RFDACM02 View Post
                              E-One's offering a 137' aerial and I believe utilizing the same, "best on the market" jacking system and with their "never had a failure" reputation. I'm not a salesman nor a user actually, but I cannot overlook the facts as presented. If they'll build other features as you need, then I can't find fault with wanting their product.
                              We recently replaced an old 135' E-One, and I can tell you with utmost certainty that had they offered it or the new 137' when we made our purchase we would have stuck with it. As fate would have it, it wasnt available so it was replaced with an E-One 100 tiller. The 135 was built in 89' and due to boro replacement agreement, it was due for replacement. It was Purchased by Pooler FD in Pooler Georgia and will placed into front line service.
                              The Rig was truely awesome. From an engineering standpoint, you had 135' stick on a jack span of 13'8", impressive. It was awesome and by far the easiest rig we had to drive and the OAL was only 44' from tip of ladder to tailboard. For those that need or want the extra reach it is a phenomenal rig.
                              The 137, from what im told by people at e-one is basically the same rig, only on a Cyclone 2 chassis. There were some minor changes to the aerial itself, making it stronger and able to meet newer NFPA standards, but basically the same. The Jack system was improved however it's span in now a foot wider at 14'8. I can go on and on about the rig but in all honesty, the only thing I can suggest is to call e-one and ask to have it visit your firehouse. Look at it, take it for a spin, and by all means climb it, 35 more feet doesn't sound like much but its a BIG difference, and one hell of a view. Best of luck and if you have any questions feel free to ask.
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