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    Has any department run a pumper with the pump panel on the officer side? This came up in a meeting I was at last night. Several firefighters on a department that is specing a new truck are considering it. There reasoning is that under most conditions, it would put the pump operator on a safer side of the pumper, so the pump operator is not standing out in traffic. Their trying to keep the pumper as short as possible so top mount is not really a option. Any thoughts????
    Last edited by volfireman034; 02-23-2011, 10:04 AM.

  • #2
    There are many out there.
    Adam has one on their recent Crimson. It's a rear mount with panel on rt rear compartment.

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    • #3
      The Singerly Fire Company of Elkton, Maryland (Cecil County) was a dedicated American Lafrance buyer for years, from the days of standard officer side panels on 700 Series ALF's. For the longest time they continued to order officer side panels whenever they could, including on an HME/M & W engine and squrt in the late 1990's. I understand that both pieces were sent out for refurb, and came back with driver side panels.

      IMO, it's all in how you place the rig. Turn it inwards towards the wreck if the driver is going to be exposed to traffic. Why spend all that money????
      "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by volfireman034 View Post
        Has any department run a pumper with the pump panel on the officer side? This came up in a meeting I was at last night. Several firefighters on a department that is specing a new truck are considering it. There reasoning is that under most conditions, it would put the pump operator on a safer side of the pumper, so the pump operator is not standing out in traffic. Their trying to keep the pumper as short as possible so top mount is not really a option. Any thoughts????
        What about a rear mount panel?

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        • #5
          I suggested rear mount and at the time they hadn't really thought about it but thats on the table now to.

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          • #6
            American LaFrance and other older makers had them on the right side for years.


            The rear pump panel, in my opinion, would be too close to the hose bed and the operator would have some problems back there.

            E-One however did make a Hush Model at one time putting the engine compartment at the rear. it didn't last long, but left the pump panel was on the drivers side..
            Stay Safe and Well Out There....

            Always remembering 9-11-2001 and 343+ Brothers

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            • #7
              We had a top mount, while it was a pain in the #$# in regards to the mechanicals of the valve controls, it was awesome for operating.

              You were off the street, high up, easy access (visually and physically) to both sides and you could also work the deck gun.

              Unfortunatly, the bad taste from the problems with linkages and added length to the engine made it unworkable with future engines for us.
              I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

              "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

              "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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              • #8
                Standing out in traffic? I have to assume you are talking about during car fires. And my quick answer would be why is the pump operator standing at the pump panel for a car fire? Charge the line, move to a safe spot. Can't see a reason to have a guy standing there with just 1 line running. What is he doing? Seems like a lot simpler operation than the additional cost of reversing a pump panel.
                "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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                • #9
                  We operate two engines with officer's curb side pump panels.

                  1. 1995 Spartan / New Lexington on a Spartan GT-1 Chassis. This unit has a rear, motor, rear pump and a rear officer's curb side pump panel.

                  2. 2010 Spartan / Darley on a Spartan MetroStar Chassis. This unit has a midship pump with a midship officer's curb side pump panel.

                  There are photos of both in this thread: http://www.firehouse.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116108

                  Additional information is also available on the FD website:

                  http://www.bruinvfd.com/apparatus.htm
                  http://www.bruinvfd.com/news.htm

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWHVArxU5Xw

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                  • #10
                    The only two right-side pump panels I've ever operated were on 700 series ALF, with the American LaFrance pumps (but never at a fire). Seems to be 6 or 1/2 dozen. I do remember these things I didn't like:

                    1) Had to run around to other side of truck to pump truck.

                    2) Wasn't as convenient to check gauges on the instrument panel.

                    "Sub sole nihil novi est"

                    C6

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                    • #11
                      Our latest rescue pumper has a rear mounted pump panel on the driver's side with all electric valve controls, and have no issues with it being in the way. We also have the ability to open the tank to pump and the front pumper preconnect (150'), so on a typical car fire the operator can pump from the driver seat.

                      I often wonder, with modern electronic pump panels, why a truck can not be set up to be entirely pumped from the driver seat (ARFF trucks come to mind).

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by islandfire03 View Post
                        There are many out there.
                        Adam has one on their recent Crimson. It's a rear mount with panel on rt rear compartment.
                        Adam's engine is a Toyne on a Spartan chassis. Panel is on the right side. I don't know if he cares to comment on that or not.

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                        • #13
                          City Of Toronto has had the Officer side Pump Panel for the past ten years on their fleet

                          these are currently in production, note the pump panel on the officer side

                          http://www.crimson-fire.com/delivery.aspx?id=32830

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mcwops View Post
                            I often wonder, with modern electronic pump panels, why a truck can not be set up to be entirely pumped from the driver seat (ARFF trucks come to mind).
                            I'm sure it could... cash is king.
                            I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                            "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                            "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by CanadianFyrTrks View Post
                              City Of Toronto has had the Officer side Pump Panel for the past ten years on their fleet

                              these are currently in production, note the pump panel on the officer side

                              http://www.crimson-fire.com/delivery.aspx?id=32830
                              Don't they drive on the wrong side of the road, so its no biggie.

                              I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                              "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                              "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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