New Rescue 5 FDNY

[pumper8032]

Not sure if anyone has seen this yet, apart from the music its a good video, now lets see how these hold up in service !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHJXO...layer_embedded

[FWDbuff]

Well, if they do as good as, and the guys like them as much as the rest of the FFA Apparatus currently within FDNY (especially the high pressure pumpers,) life should be pretty interesting for FFA in the next 5-10 years!

[Rescue101]

Not sure if anyone has seen this yet, apart from the music its a good video, now lets see how these hold up in service !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHJXO...layer_embedded

Whaaaat? Music was the best part of it. T.C.

[Luke Guidry]

saw her at LSU FETI equipment exhibition this past friday its an awesome truck 3 ac units just for the back!!!

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I've been following the progress of the rescues & ladders on the FFA website...It will be interesting to see how they hold up...

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Whaaaat? Music was the best part of it. T.C.

Yeah......

[FyredUp]

can someone tell me why the FDNY continues to buy Ferrara if they are such garbage? Seriously, anyone?

Look, if the FDNY wrote a tight spec, and people on here have repeatedly said that the FDNY writes a spec to meet their needs, regardless of whether it meets NFPA or not. Their inspections during manufacturing are legendary. Didn't they make Pierce take the roof off the rescue they built for them to fix some deficiency? If a company builds a rig to FDNY specs and it passes final inspection and is then accepted by the FDNY who is ultimately responsible for deficiencies in the design?

No, I don't sell for Ferrara, I hold no Ferrara stock, and I don't belong to a department that owns a Ferrara. I just find it hilarious that unless it is a Seagrave or Pierce or Rosenbauer or whatever flavor du jour it is junk. I would suppose then that Pierce must be junk since the FDNY did not write a Pierce spec to replace all 5 rescues with Pierces.

I would expect that all those FDs so unfortunate to own Ferraras should come on here and tell us how bad they are.

[InIttowinit]

Probably because they met the warranty requirements. I do not think too many builders are interested in thier warranty requirements.

[Rescue101]

Probably because they met the warranty requirements. I do not think too many builders are interested in thier warranty requirements.

Might well be the UNDERSTATEMENT of the CENTURY. But I agree. Time will tell how the units hold up. If they survive FDNY they will survive ANYWHERE. I'm particularly interested to see how the Ladders hold up. T.C.

[LaFireEducator]

Might well be the UNDERSTATEMENT of the CENTURY. But I agree. Time will tell how the units hold up. If they survive FDNY they will survive ANYWHERE. I'm particularly interested to see how the Ladders hold up. T.C.

They have held up pretty well in Houston, which is a pretty busy FD. Same with Indy, and a bunch of other cities.

Ferrera makes a fairly nice truck, especially at the top end. Will it survice NY? We'll see, but so far in the urban areas they are in, the track record is pretty good as they seem to keep reordering them.

[Bones42]

can someone tell me why the FDNY continues to buy Ferrara if they are such garbage? Seriously, anyone?
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Simply because everyone else has given up trying to meet FDNY demands. There is a much larger market out there than 1 fire department.

[FWDbuff]

[QUOTE=FyredUp;1244124]can someone tell me why the FDNY continues to buy Ferrara if they are such garbage? Seriously, anyone? Because FDNY does not buy or write the specs for fire apparatus. The NYC Dept of Procurement, Division of Automotive Services does.[QUOTE]

The round of bids for the rearmounts, Seagrave and FFA were the only bidders. Seagrave beat FFA's price by $3000 per unit, but had 20+ exceptions in their proposal, mostly regarding warranty issues.

FFA was the only bidder for the Rescue Company apparatus.

New York City politics dictates that FDNY has very little say in both specs and final awarding of contracts. When they needs new apparatus, they advise the Division of Procurement what they need and what it has to do by giving them a basic set of specs. DOP then writes the finalized version (and if they are in a good mood will allow FDNY to review and comment before they issue the RFP's)

Given the choice, I have heard many FDNY members state numerous times over "give us the Seagrave pumpers from 1992." Many of the old timers of course want the CF Macks back.

[FyredUp]

[QUOTE=FWDbuff;1244167][QUOTE=FyredUp;1244124]can someone tell me why the FDNY continues to buy Ferrara if they are such garbage? Seriously, anyone? Because FDNY does not buy or write the specs for fire apparatus. The NYC Dept of Procurement, Division of Automotive Services does.

The round of bids for the rearmounts, Seagrave and FFA were the only bidders. Seagrave beat FFA's price by $3000 per unit, but had 20+ exceptions in their proposal, mostly regarding warranty issues.

FFA was the only bidder for the Rescue Company apparatus.

New York City politics dictates that FDNY has very little say in both specs and final awarding of contracts. When they needs new apparatus, they advise the Division of Procurement what they need and what it has to do by giving them a basic set of specs. DOP then writes the finalized version (and if they are in a good mood will allow FDNY to review and comment before they issue the RFP's)

Given the choice, I have heard many FDNY members state numerous times over "give us the Seagrave pumpers from 1992." Many of the old timers of course want the CF Macks back.

So it is your contention that the DOP has no concern for reliability or durability or fiscal responsibility to get the best deal, both cost and serviceability wise?

And as far as the Mack CF's go damn straight. The biggest mistake ever made in fire apparatus manufacture was to stop manufacturing those rigs. Our now 37 year old CF runs and pumps like a champ.

[FWDbuff]

So it is your contention that the DOP has no concern for reliability or durability or fiscal responsibility to get the best deal, both cost and serviceability wise?

NO. In fact, quite the opposite. It is DOP's warranty requirements that forces many manufacturers (especially Seagrave) to buy TUMS by the 55 gallon drum. I don't have a copy of NYC's warranty requirements, but basically it is a bumper to bumper, no questions asked, for minimum of 5 years kind of thing. I have heard horror stories about FDNY's Motor Pool having to file warranty claim forms on something as stupid as a blown light bulb, or a screw coming loose, or a wire connection coming loose.

And this goes for trash trucks, dump trucks, etc etc etc.

This is why Seagrave got out of town (pardon the pun.) I am sure FFA knew what they were getting into when they bid, but it will be interesting to watch the fireworks in the next 2-4 years.

[kuh shise]

I stopped the video at several places to more closely examine the construction. Looks like the sub-frames are all inside the compartments, with the exception of the removable inner fender liners. This will keep the mud and salt out of the tubes, provide a very strong rim for mounting doors and shelving. Not sure about how the shelves will adjust to equipment mounting. The whole thing bears watching over the coming years, both for rust & corrosion and for ease of repair to compartments caused by mechanical damage.