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  • #16
    Honestly I think this guy is just on drugs based on how his post is written.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Nozzle nut 22 View Post
      Outrigger pins have been around for years. Off the top of my head, Pierce, Smeal, KME, and Ferrara all have that feature. Our Aerial Innovations ladder does not- they use a positive pressure lock. It takes hydraulic pressure to open the valve to raise the jacks, so a total hydraulic failure wouldn't cause the jacks to fail. There is a manual bypass somewhere- just in case- so you can move the truck to a shop after a failure.

      Right side hosebeds are common now too. It didn't take depts long to find how badly most of the chute arrangements on quints sucked. A quint that can't lay hose is severely handicapped! Most are just strait rectangular beds along one or both sides of the truck. E-one, KME, and Ferrara all have this option, as does Smeal. I believe Smeal also offers a powered version like you posted about. They also offer the through the body Ergonomic hosebed- which is a hydraulic tray. Our RD Murray Quint has a left side hosebed that runs strait behind the driver's high sides. It lays out ok, but reloading is a PITA!!! It requires a pike pole to feed the 5" under the turntable... The newer designs are wider, and replace the high sides, making that task a good bit easier. Notching the turntable helps, too.

      From reading manuf's literature, I believe the rung indicator is offered by a growing number of builders. Either as standard, or as a popular option.

      Likewise soft touch controls. I want to say KME? touts this feature on their aerialcats. I think Ferrara and Smeal offer a somewhat similar feature to make for less jerky movements- particularly when fine tuning your spot up against a building. Makes a lot of sense to me!

      Gotta agree with the others on the short jack issue- no friggin way! Our rig will let you short jack one side and operate off the other side, but NOT off the short jacked side!!

      Never heard of auto bedding. Interlocks to prevent you from hitting the truck, yes. Sensors to tell you when you're lined up with and in the cradle, yes. But not a truck that'll do it for you...
      Smeal/Ferrara SAME unit minus a couple widgets on the Ferrara. Outriggers on these units have BOTH hydraulic locks AND are pinnable.YES,they both have ramped(easy touch)controls. The only ladder(modern) I've ever seen truly operate over the short jacked side IS the Metz. T.C.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by retiredchiefone View Post
        If an aerial or platform apparatus is in a position blocking another vehicle from being placed on the fire ground, an outgigger can be retracted without effecting the operation of the existing aerial allowing the truck to pass.
        This is just a ridiculous engineering waste. Retract an outrigger while flying the aerial? No F***ing way! Talk about engineering something to correct a non-existent problem.

        IMO the electronic controls allowing the aerial to work within a "safe envelope" while short-jacked tips the scale of risk-benefit the wrong way. When, yes when, the electronics fail what will happen? To risk is too great as compared with proper setting of the truck short-jack only to the outboard side.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Rescue101 View Post
          Smeal/Ferrara SAME unit minus a couple widgets on the Ferrara. Outriggers on these units have BOTH hydraulic locks AND are pinnable.YES,they both have ramped(easy touch)controls. The only ladder(modern) I've ever seen truly operate over the short jacked side IS the Metz. T.C.
          Didn't know they used both systems- but I like the idea! I knew FFA used Smeal built ladders- a plus in my book- they do have their own body systems and options. I was just answering the OP's question, that yes, there are other builders offering those features/options.

          Metz pretty much uses a completely different concept, don't they.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Nozzle nut 22 View Post
            Didn't know they used both systems- but I like the idea! I knew FFA used Smeal built ladders- a plus in my book- they do have their own body systems and options. I was just answering the OP's question, that yes, there are other builders offering those features/options.

            Metz pretty much uses a completely different concept, don't they.
            I've GOT a Smeal so I'm familiar with the works. I spend some of my spare time working with the Metz team, it's an amazing machine. It has the ability to do setups and "tricks" no American Ladder I'm familiar with can do. Operation over the short jack side, auto return to preset locations,FASTEST set up time in the industry.

            If you get a chance to make a show where Tony( Talimonte)is showing the Metz,have him put it thru the paces for you. They are ONE, Tony and the Metz. Ya, it's a different concept but if you can get by the bigger is better syndrome,they bear a look.

            That being said, I have NO issues at all with our Smeal. The folks at the Factory have bent over backwards to help us optimise the stuff we can do with this machine. They KNOW their product and the pride and support show all the way thru. We are STILL learning all the stuff we can do that we couldn't do with our old Ladder. We're getting Great service thru our dealer, New England Fire equipment and apparatus.These are rugged, well built apparatus that are set up so they are easy to service. I'm waiting to see how the sticks hold up in FDNY service. T.C.

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