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    It was brought to my attention that there has been a large number of innovations implemented by an aerial manufacturer that provides a greater safety factor in the operation of aerials and platforms. Are these implementations available from all other manufacturers. 1st, "Soft Touch Controls" which allowes the rise-lower, extend-retract, and right-left rotation of the aerial to come to a smooth stop without any vibrations or jerking motion. 2nd, "Short Jack Capabilities" When the aerial comes off the short jack side of the aerial it will come to a stop like all other aerials. The operator will without any assist from another person, retract and raze the aerial allowing it to move into a position and used as a water tower. If the operator tries to lower the aerial it will come to a stop before it gets into an unsafe condition. If an aerial or platform apparatus is in a position blocking another vehicle from being placed on the fire ground, an outgigger can be retracted without effecting the operation of the existing aerial allowing the truck to pass. 3rd, "Auto Bedding" Activation of a momentary switch when the aerial or platform is within 20 degrees left or right of the ladder bed will automatically bed the aerial. 4th, "Rung Alignment" A yellow indicator light shall illuminate when the rungs are aligned that will assist in a safe manner of climbing the ladder. 5th, "Cab/Body Aerial Collision Protection" The right/left rotation and down motion of the aerial shall be disabled if the aerial comes near the body.
    6th, "Outrigger Safety Pins" The jack tube cylinders are drilled so that a steel safety pin can be placed into the tube preventing an outrigger collapse should a hydraulic failure occur. 7th, "Galvanized Aerial" A galvanized steel corrosion protection is applied and shall permeate the aerial both inside and out. This process sets a standard establishing a 25 year warenty. The process also provides a standard 20 year structural warranty. From what I have been told, painting over the galvanized steel aerial is an option. 8th, "Right Side Hose Bed" Preventing injury to firefighters falling from the apparatus, the right side hose bed is hydraulic operated lowering the bed to street level. 9th, "Galvanized Outriggers and Torque Box" This feature is suppose to be a standard in order to minimized corrosion to the area's supporting the aerial/platform. Hopefully all of these features are available from all other manufacturers.


    "Galvanized Outriggers and Torque Box"

  • #2
    RETRACT an outrigger with the aerial OUT of the cradle? Unless it's straight out of the cradle(no left or right swing) NO THANKS! Depending on position,that's a recipe for disaster. And YES,our Tower has the other features,the rung align is green instead of yellow. T.C.

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    • #3
      Someone has been reading the Rosenbauer/RK literature...
      "Share your knowledge - it's a way to achieve immortality." - Stolen from Chase Sargent's Buddy to Boss program

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      • #4
        Originally posted by npfd801
        Someone has been reading the Rosenbauer/RK literature...
        I agree.....

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        • #5
          Or has started selling for them....

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          • #6
            Originally posted by retiredchiefone
            It was brought to my attention that there has been a large number of innovations implemented by an aerial manufacturer that provides a greater safety factor in the operation of aerials and platforms. Are these implementations available from all other manufacturers. 1st, "Soft Touch Controls" which allowes the rise-lower, extend-retract, and right-left rotation of the aerial to come to a smooth stop without any vibrations or jerking motion. 2nd, "Short Jack Capabilities" When the aerial comes off the short jack side of the aerial it will come to a stop like all other aerials. The operator will without any assist from another person, retract and raze the aerial allowing it to move into a position and used as a water tower. If the operator tries to lower the aerial it will come to a stop before it gets into an unsafe condition. If an aerial or platform apparatus is in a position blocking another vehicle from being placed on the fire ground, an outgigger can be retracted without effecting the operation of the existing aerial allowing the truck to pass. 3rd, "Auto Bedding" Activation of a momentary switch when the aerial or platform is within 20 degrees left or right of the ladder bed will automatically bed the aerial. 4th, "Rung Alignment" A yellow indicator light shall illuminate when the rungs are aligned that will assist in a safe manner of climbing the ladder. 5th, "Cab/Body Aerial Collision Protection" The right/left rotation and down motion of the aerial shall be disabled if the aerial comes near the body.
            6th, "Outrigger Safety Pins" The jack tube cylinders are drilled so that a steel safety pin can be placed into the tube preventing an outrigger collapse should a hydraulic failure occur. 7th, "Galvanized Aerial" A galvanized steel corrosion protection is applied and shall permeate the aerial both inside and out. This process sets a standard establishing a 25 year warenty. The process also provides a standard 20 year structural warranty. From what I have been told, painting over the galvanized steel aerial is an option. 8th, "Right Side Hose Bed" Preventing injury to firefighters falling from the apparatus, the right side hose bed is hydraulic operated lowering the bed to street level. 9th, "Galvanized Outriggers and Torque Box" This feature is suppose to be a standard in order to minimized corrosion to the area's supporting the aerial/platform. Hopefully all of these features are available from all other manufacturers.
            Already been done by at least two other Mrf's that I know of.
            "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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            • #7
              Better brakes!!!!
              RK
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              Management is making sure things are done right. Leadership is doing the right thing. The fire service needs alot more leaders and a lot less managers.

              "Everyone goes home" is the mantra for the pussification of the modern, American fire service.


              Comments made are my own. They do not represent the official position or opinion of the Fire Department or the City for which I am employed. In fact, they are normally exactly the opposite.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by retiredchiefone
                It was brought to my attention that there has been a large number of innovations implemented by an aerial manufacturer that provides a greater safety factor in the operation of aerials and platforms. Are these implementations available from all other manufacturers. 1st, "Soft Touch Controls" which allowes the rise-lower, extend-retract, and right-left rotation of the aerial to come to a smooth stop without any vibrations or jerking motion. 2nd, "Short Jack Capabilities" When the aerial comes off the short jack side of the aerial it will come to a stop like all other aerials. The operator will without any assist from another person, retract and raze the aerial allowing it to move into a position and used as a water tower. If the operator tries to lower the aerial it will come to a stop before it gets into an unsafe condition. If an aerial or platform apparatus is in a position blocking another vehicle from being placed on the fire ground, an outgigger can be retracted without effecting the operation of the existing aerial allowing the truck to pass. 3rd, "Auto Bedding" Activation of a momentary switch when the aerial or platform is within 20 degrees left or right of the ladder bed will automatically bed the aerial. 4th, "Rung Alignment" A yellow indicator light shall illuminate when the rungs are aligned that will assist in a safe manner of climbing the ladder. 5th, "Cab/Body Aerial Collision Protection" The right/left rotation and down motion of the aerial shall be disabled if the aerial comes near the body.
                6th, "Outrigger Safety Pins" The jack tube cylinders are drilled so that a steel safety pin can be placed into the tube preventing an outrigger collapse should a hydraulic failure occur. 7th, "Galvanized Aerial" A galvanized steel corrosion protection is applied and shall permeate the aerial both inside and out. This process sets a standard establishing a 25 year warenty. The process also provides a standard 20 year structural warranty. From what I have been told, painting over the galvanized steel aerial is an option. 8th, "Right Side Hose Bed" Preventing injury to firefighters falling from the apparatus, the right side hose bed is hydraulic operated lowering the bed to street level. 9th, "Galvanized Outriggers and Torque Box" This feature is suppose to be a standard in order to minimized corrosion to the area's supporting the aerial/platform. Hopefully all of these features are available from all other manufacturers.


                "Galvanized Outriggers and Torque Box"

                Most of what is in your post is offered by most aerial manufacturers. If I am correct the galvanized aerial, outriggers and torque box are made by RK/Rosenbaurer only. LTI use to offer a 20 year structural warranty on there
                aerials

                Chief1ff
                Mark

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                • #9
                  A 100' platform with a 180-inch WB and a 300-inch OAL with no front or rear overhang. The name of the builder escapes me?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Command6
                    A 100' platform with a 180-inch WB and a 300-inch OAL with no front or rear overhang. The name of the builder escapes me?
                    Steeldraulics, maybe? They were somewhere around Chambersburg, Pa. Built one ladder, maybe one or two engines, then went out of business. I think the ladder's still around, somewhere in south central Pennsylvania. Ditto an engine. Anyone got any more accurate info?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by chiefengineer11
                      Steeldraulics, maybe? They were somewhere around Chambersburg, Pa. Built one ladder, maybe one or two engines, then went out of business. I think the ladder's still around, somewhere in south central Pennsylvania. Ditto an engine. Anyone got any more accurate info?
                      The only Steeldraulics ladder I ever saw was in Indianapolis.

                      From what I know of that company safety features were not a priority.
                      Last edited by firepundit; 01-24-2011, 05:44 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Outrigger pins have been around for years. Off the top of my head, Pierce, Smeal, KME, and Ferrara all have that feature. Our Aerial Innovations ladder does not- they use a positive pressure lock. It takes hydraulic pressure to open the valve to raise the jacks, so a total hydraulic failure wouldn't cause the jacks to fail. There is a manual bypass somewhere- just in case- so you can move the truck to a shop after a failure.

                        Right side hosebeds are common now too. It didn't take depts long to find how badly most of the chute arrangements on quints sucked. A quint that can't lay hose is severely handicapped! Most are just strait rectangular beds along one or both sides of the truck. E-one, KME, and Ferrara all have this option, as does Smeal. I believe Smeal also offers a powered version like you posted about. They also offer the through the body Ergonomic hosebed- which is a hydraulic tray. Our RD Murray Quint has a left side hosebed that runs strait behind the driver's high sides. It lays out ok, but reloading is a PITA!!! It requires a pike pole to feed the 5" under the turntable... The newer designs are wider, and replace the high sides, making that task a good bit easier. Notching the turntable helps, too.

                        From reading manuf's literature, I believe the rung indicator is offered by a growing number of builders. Either as standard, or as a popular option.

                        Likewise soft touch controls. I want to say KME? touts this feature on their aerialcats. I think Ferrara and Smeal offer a somewhat similar feature to make for less jerky movements- particularly when fine tuning your spot up against a building. Makes a lot of sense to me!

                        Gotta agree with the others on the short jack issue- no friggin way! Our rig will let you short jack one side and operate off the other side, but NOT off the short jacked side!!

                        Never heard of auto bedding. Interlocks to prevent you from hitting the truck, yes. Sensors to tell you when you're lined up with and in the cradle, yes. But not a truck that'll do it for you...

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                        • #13
                          The list is definitely a Rosenbauer list. While others offer just about everything else, the combination on one particular rig woud have to be Rosenbauer.

                          Others are doing galvanized subframe and outriggers, but RK (Rosenbauer) is the only one doing hot dipped galvanized aerials, which you can now get painted over if you can't stand the looks.
                          "Share your knowledge - it's a way to achieve immortality." - Stolen from Chase Sargent's Buddy to Boss program

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Command6
                            A 100' platform with a 180-inch WB and a 300-inch OAL with no front or rear overhang. The name of the builder escapes me?
                            Metz? Maybe I'm being Captain Obvious and missing a tongue in cheek moment...
                            "Share your knowledge - it's a way to achieve immortality." - Stolen from Chase Sargent's Buddy to Boss program

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by npfd801
                              Metz? Maybe I'm being Captain Obvious and missing a tongue in cheek moment...
                              Why didn't I think of that? Tony, where are you?

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