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    Does anyone have any examples (pictures, drawings, etc.) of short wheel base custom cab engines? I know HME has the "RAT". Just interested in seeing if any departments have been able to spec out something similar. Thanks in advance!

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    Originally posted by Squad50FF View Post
    Does anyone have any examples (pictures, drawings, etc.) of short wheel base custom cab engines? I know HME has the "RAT". Just interested in seeing if any departments have been able to spec out something similar. Thanks in advance!
    Go on Mike Martinelli's www.fdnytrucks.com. Look at Upland in Delaware Co., Pa.'s 2004 Seagrave. I've seen it, it's a nice, short truck. Also, there's another company (I can never remember who) in DelCo that has something along the lines of a RAT. It was built by VTech on an HME.

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    • #3
      How short? OAL less than 30ft? Wheelbase less than 170".

      There are many examples of DC engines on Seagraves website with OALs of 28' 2" and a wheelbase of 163". With a 40+ degreee cramp angle I am not sure how much more manuverable you can get.

      Of course the RAT is smaller, but less compartment space.

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      • #4
        ChiefEngineer11 thanks for the tip. Upland is a very short trip for me. I'll have to stop and take a closer look. Was looking for something in the range of a 130" to 160" wheelbase. Just trying to see whats out there and what options can get done.

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        • #5
          Check out Smeal's website and look for the "Riverside County Contract." Riverside County and Smeal did an excellent job with it. Ferrera also has something similiar as well.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by chiefengineer11 View Post
            Go on Mike Martinelli's www.fdnytrucks.com. Look at Upland in Delaware Co., Pa.'s 2004 Seagrave. I've seen it, it's a nice, short truck. Also, there's another company (I can never remember who) in DelCo that has something along the lines of a RAT. It was built by VTech on an HME.
            Millborn, Pa. Near Upper Darby & Philadelphia.

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            • #7
              Sorry, if I seem slightly prejudiced here but as a FORMER HME independent sales rep I thik the RAT offers a whole lot in a little package. Pump and roll to 1250 gpm, pump capacities to 1750, foam systems including HME's MadDog CAF system. Add to that a 50 gallon water tank (OOOOPS that should say 500 gallon water tank) , all stainless body, and the ability to out turn an F550 while carrying 6 firefighters and you have a sweet little package.

              I really would like my FD to look at one of these for our next engine and get it in 4 wheel drive.



              If my being a FORMER HME rep causes anyone to take an afront to this let me know and I will delete it.
              Last edited by FyredUp; 11-21-2010, 11:11 AM.
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                Hmmm...The picture won't load oh well... it was a 137 inch wheelbase HME
                built by VTech in Vermont...would that be short enough ?
                Last edited by don120; 11-21-2010, 10:25 AM.

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                • #9
                  The question I have is how short are you looking for? We just purchased a 2010 Spartan/Marion 1250/1000/30 with a 169 wheel base and a short OAL of 28 1/2 feet. with 50 degree cramp angle this wil out turn our F550 and most cars.

                  You could make our pumper even shorter on an HME SFO cab. My concern and those of some manufactures is that the shorter the truck the more apt the truck is to bounce forward and aft and also makes it come spinning around faster than a longer wheelbase truck.
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                  • #10
                    http://www.buddlakefire.org/apparatus

                    Look at Engine 53. Manufacturer no longer exists "New Lexington".
                    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                    "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                    "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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                    • #11
                      One of my favorites is Applegarth, NJ's rescue pumper. IIRC it's about 25 ft long and lacks very little.

                      http://www.firehouse.com/forums/show...0&postcount=31
                      Last edited by RFDACM02; 11-20-2010, 11:39 AM.

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                      • #12
                        I don't remember the exact dimensions, but you may want to look at Los Angeles. Their trucks were pretty short. Seagrave, Pierce, and KME all have trucks their I believe... I'm sure you could get a copy of the specs if you ask.
                        TruckCommittee.com

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                        • #13
                          Steel City, PA

                          http://www.toyne.com/delivery.asp?na...veries&did=235

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                          • #14


                            I bet that you won't like that cab after a few years. We have that same cab on a truck here and getting into and out of the rear crew area stinks. I am not a huge fan of Spartan cabs... never saw or used one that I liked.
                            Last edited by 93Cobra; 11-22-2010, 07:21 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 93Cobra View Post


                              I bet that you won't like that cab after a few years. We have that same cab on a truck here and grtting into and out of the rear crew area stinks. I am not a huge fan of Spartan cabs... never saw or used one that I liked.
                              Had Spartans for a few years now. Nobody here is complaining. Just bought another. You want 'em to WORK,you better learn how to SPEC. Easy in,easy out. T.c.

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