Pinned Aerial Waterways

[mcwops]

Dumb question from a guy who has not operated a fire aerial, what harm does it do to operate the waterway from the rescue position other than shortening the height?

[npfd801]

Dumb question from a guy who has not operated a fire aerial, what harm does it do to operate the waterway from the rescue position other than shortening the height?

The big deal is the nozzle and waterway usually impedes close in work to a window sill, etc. if locked in at full extension. Most newer ladder tip loads are still 500 pounds (or greater) at all elevations, full extension, and at 90 degrees to the aerial.

[mcwops]

The big deal is the nozzle and waterway usually impedes close in work to a window sill, etc. if locked in at full extension. Most newer ladder tip loads are still 500 pounds (or greater) at all elevations, full extension, and at 90 degrees to the aerial.

Actually I meant the opposite, what trouble is caused by operating the nozzle while NOT being pinned to full extension, such as in the picture posted earlier in the thread?

As I said, probably a dumb question, but curious mind would like to know.

[VanIsleEVT]

For the most part nothing. Our 110' E-One ladder has the monitor positioned permanently at the end of the second fly section. Been that way for 25 years.

[RFDACM02]

Actually I meant the opposite, what trouble is caused by operating the nozzle while NOT being pinned to full extension, such as in the picture posted earlier in the thread?

As I said, probably a dumb question, but curious mind would like to know.

In the rescue mode the master stream is positioned on an aerial section below the outermost fly, losing some of the height from which you can deliver the water. depending on your position, the fire and the building, this may be a disadvantage. The chances of this being a critical factor in the time frame it takes to change it are far less than the reverse, where you need to make an immediate rescue. Truth be known, far fewer of us have been or ever will be faced with the immediate rescue compared to the defensive operations. This means, sadly we may have "buck fever" and fail to remember to adjust the position. As TC said, the tower bucket provides the best of both worlds, and more!

[Squirt1262]

Another aspect to consider is doing basic truck work. Rescue mode is necessary to placing FFs on the roof for ventilation, taking handlines through a window, etc. All of which are time dependent.

Unless you are using the ladder pipe for an offensive "Blitz Attack" you have the extra time to repositin the pin

[RFDACM02]

Another aspect to consider is doing basic truck work. Rescue mode is necessary to placing FFs on the roof for ventilation, taking handlines through a window, etc. All of which are time dependent.

Unless you are using the ladder pipe for an offensive "Blitz Attack" you have the extra time to repositin the pin

One could conclude that if this whole issue is in fact an issue at all, you really have a staffing issue. To set up an aerial and make the connections to supply it takes a little time. Surely enough time for one FFer to make the switch from rescue to tip mode. If you have a quint and can't find the personnel to make the switch, you're due for an "Ah Ha Moment!"

[Rescue101]

Ah Hah genius,our QUINT has NO such problem. AND NO pesky pin to worry about on the waterway. AND DOES NOT require a FF in the Bucket to make the Ladder monitor work. COUNTRY inguenuity at it's finest,hehe T.C.

[RFDACM02]

Ah Hah genius,our QUINT has NO such problem. AND NO pesky pin to worry about on the waterway. AND DOES NOT require a FF in the Bucket to make the Ladder monitor work. COUNTRY inguenuity at it's finest,hehe T.C.

Tower trumps everything.

[RoofTopTrucky]

Due to the few times that we have used the ladder pipe in the past, we keep it in the rescue position. If its Big Fire needing big water, change it over before you start flying

[VanIsleEVT]

Tower trumps everything.

You mean a Metz right. No waterway to worry about crushing and extreme speed for rescue. And with that extreme speed you get target control ( optional ) and smoothness like no other.

[Rescue101]

You mean a Metz right. No waterway to worry about crushing and extreme speed for rescue. And with that extreme speed you get target control ( optional ) and smoothness like no other.

Hmmn.........Did you ALSO take time to note there is NO "pinned" waterway on a Metz?
And the fact that you CAN get a full waterway if you so desire? AND not lose any of the other features by doing so? T.C.

[RFDACM02]

Hmmn.........Did you ALSO take time to note there is NO "pinned" waterway on a Metz?

You mean a Metz right. No waterway to worry about crushing and extreme speed for rescue. And with that extreme speed you get target control ( optional ) and smoothness like no other.

Pinned shopping cart and a waterway that impedes climbing? No thanks.

I'll bet you see a few more American aerials with waterways that won't crush on parapets in the upcoming year. My understanding is that FDNY will not accept a tower ladder with a waterway on the underside.

[VanIsleEVT]

Pinned shopping cart and a waterway that impedes climbing? No thanks.

I'll bet you see a few more American aerials with waterways that won't crush on parapets in the upcoming year. My understanding is that FDNY will not accept a tower ladder with a waterway on the underside.

Why take the stairs when you take the elevator.

Maybe FDNY will be ordering Sutphens then, they've always done it that way.

[Rescue101]

Pinned shopping cart and a waterway that impedes climbing? No thanks.

I'll bet you see a few more American aerials with waterways that won't crush on parapets in the upcoming year. My understanding is that FDNY will not accept a tower ladder with a waterway on the underside.

You keep talking about a "impeded climbing area" as if you spent time WORKING off a Metz,which I KNOW you haven't. I HAVE and there are NO issues climbing with the waterway in place. And my feet aren't all that small.There ARE places (MANY) where a smaller aerial fits the Bill. I'd a WHOLE lot rather have a Metz than ANY currently produced '75 footer which is the ONLY thing American comparable in size.. T.C.