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  • FyredUp
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    Originally posted by ffp20 View Post
    ALL of our macks rotted out, in particular the CF's. The recurring problem areas were the front wheelwells and jump seat floors. The b's were a bit better. The R had some rocker panel, floor, and door bottom rot after 10 yrs, the hood was fine (fiberglass). The steel bodies rotted out, but whos didnt. Most of them over the years had alot or wiring rework.
    We had those issues too with our CF, but it was well over 25 years old at the time. We had them fixed and things seem to be fine.

    I guess my answer is look at a lot of newer vehicles on the road. They can't even keep paint on them, let alone stop them from rusting.

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  • ChiefDog
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    Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
    I have a Beretta Neos. It is a fine shooting pistol and comes with an accessory rail for mounting red dots or a scope.

    I am sure there are other good .22 target pistols out there. This was was relatively inexpensive, and seems quite accurate right out of the box.

    (How was that for an endorsement of a product without ripping anyone else's?)
    Good job. I looked at a bunch of them. I did not see a Neos, dealers did not have one near me to pickup and hold. I did not make the 40 mile trip south to see one....

    Ended up with a Browning. Still have to adjust the sights but seem pretty good. It was one of the ones that had few slams on forums compared to others.... Hopefully it will work out.

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  • FyredUp
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    Originally posted by ChiefDog View Post
    What you describe is not limited to Fire Apparatus. I just did research on purchasing a .22LR pistol for target shooting. Guess what, same type opinions that brand X is great, brand Y is junk. (on Forums) Next guy says just the opposite.

    Maybe it is life in the world of 2010...
    I have a Beretta Neos. It is a fine shooting pistol and comes with an accessory rail for mounting red dots or a scope.

    I am sure there are other good .22 target pistols out there. This was was relatively inexpensive, and seems quite accurate right out of the box.

    (How was that for an endorsement of a product without ripping anyone else's?)

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  • ffp20
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    ALL of our macks rotted out, in particular the CF's. The recurring problem areas were the front wheelwells and jump seat floors. The b's were a bit better. The R had some rocker panel, floor, and door bottom rot after 10 yrs, the hood was fine (fiberglass). The steel bodies rotted out, but whos didnt. Most of them over the years had alot or wiring rework.

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  • ChiefDog
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    Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
    Seriously, at one time or another it seems as if every major and minor, and even regional, builders of fire apparatus have been labeled as junk by people on here. Seagrave, Pierce, E-One, Ferrara, KME, HME, Smeal, American LaFrance, Rosenbauer, Crimson, and many more I can't remember off the top of my head have ALL been named as builders of junk. Look in my mind it is clear that in order to remain in business you have to build something that SOMEBODY is buying. If you consistently build junk why would people keep buying it?

    I have long held there are a few reasons why people are dissatisfied with a piece of fire apparatus:

    1) The apparatus committee wrote a crappy spec and the apparatus manufacturer built what you said you wanted.

    2) The apparatus committee wrote a maginificent spec and the manufacturer didn't follow it and the FD accepted the rig anyways.

    3) The apparatrus committee asked a manufacturer to do something that they don't normally do or has never been done before and it turns out poorly. Yet once again it is what the buyer wanted, sometimes despite the manufacturer advising against it. Some will not even bid on this kind of project.

    4) You write a brand specific spec and someone else beats them on the price and local conditions say if it meets the spec low bid has to be purchased. In this case even if the rig is fine, if it is not the brand you wanted most often you will go out of your way to point out any deficiencies, real or imagined.



    To add a little gasoline to the Fire I have never seen anyone, EVER, on FH.com say a Mack Fire Apparatus was junk. And that is correct. I will put my volly FD's 34 year old Mack up against any new 1250 pumper and we will hang with them all day. 20 rpms over new to pass pump test. My bet is most of the electronic wizardy of today will be junk long before 34 years hits!


    Your opinions please...
    What you describe is not limited to Fire Apparatus. I just did research on purchasing a .22LR pistol for target shooting. Guess what, same type opinions that brand X is great, brand Y is junk. (on Forums) Next guy says just the opposite.

    Maybe it is life in the world of 2010...

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  • FyredUp
    started a topic Does anybody build a good fire apparatus anymore?

    Does anybody build a good fire apparatus anymore?

    Seriously, at one time or another it seems as if every major and minor, and even regional, builders of fire apparatus have been labeled as junk by people on here. Seagrave, Pierce, E-One, Ferrara, KME, HME, Smeal, American LaFrance, Rosenbauer, Crimson, and many more I can't remember off the top of my head have ALL been named as builders of junk. Look in my mind it is clear that in order to remain in business you have to build something that SOMEBODY is buying. If you consistently build junk why would people keep buying it?

    I have long held there are a few reasons why people are dissatisfied with a piece of fire apparatus:

    1) The apparatus committee wrote a crappy spec and the apparatus manufacturer built what you said you wanted.

    2) The apparatus committee wrote a maginificent spec and the manufacturer didn't follow it and the FD accepted the rig anyways.

    3) The apparatrus committee asked a manufacturer to do something that they don't normally do or has never been done before and it turns out poorly. Yet once again it is what the buyer wanted, sometimes despite the manufacturer advising against it. Some will not even bid on this kind of project.

    4) You write a brand specific spec and someone else beats them on the price and local conditions say if it meets the spec low bid has to be purchased. In this case even if the rig is fine, if it is not the brand you wanted most often you will go out of your way to point out any deficiencies, real or imagined.



    To add a little gasoline to the Fire I have never seen anyone, EVER, on FH.com say a Mack Fire Apparatus was junk. And that is correct. I will put my volly FD's 36 year old Mack up against any new 1250 pumper and we will hang with them all day. 20 rpms over new to pass pump test. My bet is most of the electronic wizardy of today will be junk long before 34 years hits!


    Your opinions please...
    Last edited by FyredUp; 09-24-2010, 01:14 PM. Reason: corrected age of our Mack CF

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