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  • BlitzfireSolo
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    It looks like one of Marion's standard pumper designs now features a 1,000 gallon tank with a 72" high hosebed floor, by means of an 'L' tank.

    http://fireandrescue.marionbody.com/...ge?item_id=366

    In-service pictures here:
    http://www.continentalvillagefd.org/14-2-2.htm


    http://fireandrescue.marionbody.com/...ge?item_id=367

    http://fireandrescue.marionbody.com/...ge?item_id=382

    Pretty nice package that they have there.

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  • Box2565
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    There are many (dozens/hundreds) of rescue/pumpers shown in the topics of the Youngstown Fire Forums. A selection of the builders with newer units is below:

    Seagrave - http://www.youngstownfire.com/forums...c,9220.75.html

    Sutphen - http://www.youngstownfire.com/forums...,7243.120.html

    KME's - http://www.youngstownfire.com/forums...,1406.180.html

    Pierce (Enforcer) - http://www.youngstownfire.com/forums...c,2081.60.html

    Pierce (Quantum) - http://www.youngstownfire.com/forums...,1337.180.html

    Summit - http://www.youngstownfire.com/forums...c,1332.75.html

    Crimson - http://www.youngstownfire.com/forums...c,5159.75.html

    E One - http://www.youngstownfire.com/forums...,7256.165.html

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  • BlitzfireSolo
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    Baltimore County had a handful of ALF's built with 1,000 gallon 'L' tanks and nice low hosebeds:

    http://www.gotbigwater.com/content/a...paratus_08.pdf

    Although it's not a squad, you could afford to narrow the hosebed a bit (for compartments) if you don't need to carry the same 2,000 feet of 4" that they carry.

    They recently picked up 9 new Rosenbauer pumpers with low hosebeds. Most of them are 750 gallon tanks, but at least one of them has a 1,000 gallon tank, although I have not managed to find a picture or PDF of the hosebed on the 1,000 gallon rig. (Anybody?)

    Manchester, CT has some "squad" type bodies on a pair of ALF's with reasonably low hosebeds and 750 gallon tanks. Look for the picture of their rear here:
    http://www.respondersafety.com/Gallery.aspx

    Here's another 4 Guys engine that seems to have a pretty low hosebed for a 1,250 gallon tank:
    http://www.4guysfire.com/undine.htm


    As RFDACM points out, there's no point in having a low hosebed if you're going to fill it so high that the hose reaches the top of the bed. Also, if you don't carry any lines that require you to take shoulder loads (i.e. minuteman and some flat loads) or grab individual folds (i.e. bulk/static attack line beds), then just make it safe up top, provide good access, and secure the nozzles/hose ends down low and don't worry about a super low bed. But if you DO use any of the hose compliments mentioned above, an 'L' tank and nice low hosebed are still your best bet.

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  • Fire562
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    I have posted a couple of photos of our 2008 Pierce Impel. It has a 1500 GPM Hale which is plumbed to be able to put out over 2000 GPM. We have 755 Gallon of Water and 50 Gallons of Class A. We did full height, full depth compartments on both sides and ladders through the tank. A portion of the hose bed is taken up with a Vertical Light Tower out of the engineer's compartment. I worked with the Pierce engineer to try and keep the hose bed lower, but with wanting everything, it could not be accomplished. The height to me was a trade off for carrying a lot of equipment in the compartments. In reality, we are only in the hose bed about a dozen times a year and felt that we could live with the height. I did view a number of low hose beds while visiting Pierce and found that the preconnect bins were so High and Narrow that I felt they would be a PITA to load.

    We did insure that we had properly located foot pegs, and hand rails to insure that anyone going up is properly supported.

    From what you described as your needs, I do not think that you will be able to have a low hose bed and everything else you stated. I know the issues I had when trying to engineer our hosebed at Pierce.
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    Last edited by Fire562; 09-22-2010, 07:15 PM. Reason: Forgot to add closing paragraph

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  • donethat
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    Removed. link did not work

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  • donethat
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    Most manufactuers have versions of what your looking for. Heres another one:
    http://www.e-one.com/products/main-l...-rescue-pumper

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  • gwp026
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    Thank you everyone for the information. FyredUp, nice engine. I got some good ideas from the pictures. Sorry I didn't have my email up. Thought I put it in there. I have looked at the Indian River piece many times in the last few days & I think that is about the area I'm looking for. I know it's almost like having your cake & eating it too but I have recently found a couple of pieces that seem to fit the bill. Life would be so much easier with a 750 gallon tank, like our current pumper, but this one's above my pay grade. I'll keep checking back to see if anything else comes up but you guys have gotten me pointed in the right direction. Thank you again.

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  • RFDACM02
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    Originally posted by 52shelby View Post
    This unit looks very close to your interests. It has a 1250 gallon tank that could be reduced to 1000 gallons. That may lower the hosebed a little. I do not know if it carries hydraulic equipment.

    http://www.4guysfire.com/indianriver.htm
    4 Guys worked with us long and hard when we were speccing our rescue pumper only to not bid at the last minute. Of all the builders they may have been able to be closest to the low hosebed, 750 gwt, rescue compartments on oth sides for our needs. But alas, even their low bed really ended up with the top of the hose stacks above a workable height from the ground.

    For all of us that ask for low hosebeds, ask yourself why this is needed? What are the parameters or tasks you want to accomplish with the low hosebed? I'm not saying you shouldn't want this, but be realistic the base hosebed height means nothing if it's only a few stacks wide and pushes the hose up out of reach.

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  • 52shelby
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    Very close

    Originally posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    Back to your original request. i'd be interested to hear if you get any pics or specs for an engine meeting both the tank capacity and low hose bed. As I stated before, we tried and found that in the end a compromise has to be reached or you need a very long body. I've seen many posts here that address two of the three criteria, of which should be simple, it's that third leg of the triangle that seems so hard to build.
    This unit looks very close to your interests. It has a 1250 gallon tank that could be reduced to 1000 gallons. That may lower the hosebed a little. I do not know if it carries hydraulic equipment.

    http://www.4guysfire.com/indianriver.htm

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  • Skysthelimit
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    http://www.ferrarafire.com/Apparatus...s/MVP/MVP.html

    Look at the Ferrara M.V.P.

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  • RFDACM02
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    Originally posted by gwp026 View Post
    I am doing some research for a new rescue engine (squad, pumper rescue,etc). I am looking for any fairly recent deliveries ('09 or newer) where the rig has both a 1000 gallon water tank, full heights compartments at least on one side & a low-style hose bed. I appreciate any help here.
    Back to your original request. i'd be interested to hear if you get any pics or specs for an engine meeting both the tank capacity and low hose bed. As I stated before, we tried and found that in the end a compromise has to be reached or you need a very long body. I've seen many posts here that address two of the three criteria, of which should be simple, it's that third leg of the triangle that seems so hard to build.

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  • FyredUp
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    Originally posted by donethat View Post
    Nothing derogatory. You have a lot of equipment stored in a relativly small space. Means good packaging! Like me packing the car for a trip verses my wife. I can always get two more suit cases in than she can.
    Ok, I understand.

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  • donethat
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    15 lbs in a 5 lb sack

    Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
    Seriously, what the heck are you talking about?
    Nothing derogatory. You have a lot of equipment stored in a relativly small space. Means good packaging! Like me packing the car for a trip verses my wife. I can always get two more suit cases in than she can.

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  • FyredUp
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    Originally posted by GTRider245 View Post
    Hey Fyred,

    It seems that worrying about mounting tools in a more accessible location should be a moot point when it appears you have a step ladder strapped to your roof ladder. Never know when you may have to throw it in a hurry...

    I don't agree with the step ladder being there and will move to have that changed very soon.

    And I couldnt tell from the pics, but does that truck have traditional crosslays in addition to the bumper lines? Only reason I ask is becuase in my (limited) expirience with rubber hose, it sucks interior.

    Traditional crosslays? If by that you mean cloth jacketed, no it doesn't. It does have 2-300 foot 2 inch crosslays made of rubber. We have been using rubber hose now for over 10 years and have had no complaints or problems moving it. The biggest reasons we have it are no need for thousands of feet of spare hose, and rapid reload so guys can go back to work.

    I am a huge fan of the Ahrens-Fox body. I share as much distaste for a HME cab. We have one HME/A-F truck in our fleet and the cab is cheaply built while the body is top notch. Just preference I guess. Oh and PowerArc warning lights...I wont even go there. I would rather just turn on the 4 way flashers.

    Different strokes I guess. We love the rig. It is smooth and comfortable to ride in. Has a great turning radius. Heats and cools well. Great visibility and plenty of room inside.

    As far as the Power Arcs go we have not had a single problem with them. We were skeptical at first and talked to the President of the company and he sent us a complete replacement unit to have in stock free of charge to calm our fears. The Power Arcs are very bright and eye catching. We like them very much.


    Good looking truck though.

    Thanks. We get compliments on it all the time. makes us proud.
    Most of all, it does everything we designed it to do...so far anyways.

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  • FyredUp
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    Originally posted by donethat View Post
    Definately 15 lbs in a 5 lb sack.
    Seriously, what the heck are you talking about?

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