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  • Darien, CT Sends Aerialscope to Seagrave for Rechassis and Refurb

    PRESS RELEASE:

    LINK TO DEAWING: http://darienfire.org/misc_content/PE57000%20051910.pdf

    Darien, CT Sends Aerialscope to Seagrave for Rechassis and Refurb
    Darien’s oldest fire apparatus, a 1971 Mack / Baker Aerialscope (Tower Ladder 43), started its 1,054 mile journey today to Seagrave Fire Apparatus in Clintonville, Wisconsin.

    After years of careful consideration and research, the department has embarked on a project to re-chassis the apparatus. The metal structures that make up the original truck’s aerial boom, bucket, jacks, turntable, and superstructure, will be removed from the old Mack CF600 truck. These structures will be inspected, overhauled, re-built, and tested at Seagrave Fire Apparatus. These components will meet or exceed the standards of those that are new.

    While the work is done to the original aerial components, a new truck is being built. When complete, a new Seagrave Aerialscope will be returned to Darien, early in 2011.

    This strategy saves the town about $300,000. Additionally, the new tower ladder will have a single rear axle with a short overall vehicle length (for improved maneuverability), a low vehicle height (for fitting under railroad bridges), and will remain an extremely safe and versatile fire apparatus to serve Darien for another generation.
    LINK TO DEAWING: http://darienfire.org/misc_content/PE57000%20051910.pdf
    My Fire Apparatus Photos: x635Photos.com

    Seth G., Round Rock Texas

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    The link makes my computer go into vapor lock.....
    "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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      Originally posted by FWDbuff View Post
      The link makes my computer go into vapor lock.....
      Dump a CO2 extinguisher on it!

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        Originally posted by FWDbuff View Post
        The link makes my computer go into vapor lock.....
        Time to clear all the history, temp file and sites you been to overloading the system and making it s l o w
        Stay Safe and Well Out There....

        Always remembering 9-11-2001 and 343+ Brothers

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        • #5
          In the drawing it notes it'll have a ISL-425 HP. I find that a little interesting but probably more powerful than the orignal Mack engine...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ZMastr28 View Post
            In the drawing it notes it'll have a ISL-425 HP. I find that a little interesting but probably more powerful than the orignal Mack engine...
            Most re-chassis Aerialscope that I have seen were equiped with 450- 515 HP big block motors, but the scope should be fine with the Cummins 425. There old Mack CF may have only a 237 HP motor with a 5 speed tranny with top speed of about 50 mph on a open highway?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by WoodbridgeFFII View Post
              Most re-chassis Aerialscope that I have seen were equiped with 450- 515 HP big block motors, but the scope should be fine with the Cummins 425. There old Mack CF may have only a 237 HP motor with a 5 speed tranny with top speed of about 50 mph on a open highway?
              Depending on chassis #it could be a 237,300,or in RARE instances a 350. The Isl has more HP but the Torque will be similar to the old Mack. T.C.

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              • #8
                Most 75' quint sticks come standard with a 400-425 hp Cummins motor, carrying 400 gallons of water, but I would think that the Scope apparatus would be much more weight ?
                Last edited by WoodbridgeFFII; 07-30-2010, 08:36 PM.

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                • #9
                  The 425 ISL is lighter weight then the Big Block options and is a pretty strong motor itself. Same as dealing with a Quint, the single screw aerialscope is a weight game... so saving a few hundred pounds here and there makes a big deal in the end.

                  Woodbridge - Strictly opinion here, but I would venture to say that the 75' aerialscope remount, fully loaded, is close in weight but probably a little less then a 75' quint fully loaded with 400 - 500 gallons of water on and 6 men in the cab. Eitherway, there's only so much you can put on a 51k single rear chassis and no manufacturer today is going to knowingly overload a chassis.

                  Back to the ISL motor - our new KoolAidQuint has the ISL 425 as well. In appleton last week, that thing flew around very nicely - sadly it was very comparable to our current rig and its 475 8V92 which we are near and dear with. (Smokes alot less too) Again though, I'm certain that 8V92 weights an amazing amount more then the ISL does. (CE11... Yardo... anyone know off the top of their head?)
                  Last edited by laddertruckgoes; 07-31-2010, 11:55 AM.
                  FTM-PTB DTRT

                  Everything I state on here is to support and aid my fellow firefighters. Everything I post is my opinion only, and in no way should be taken as an official opinion of any Company, Department, or Municipality I represent... oh and this includes Pierce Mfg, as so their legal department has advised me; since they apparently also invented the right to control "Free Speech".

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                  • #10
                    What engine does the Pelham Manor scope have in it?

                    It's nice to see Seagrave get a order like this. I also saw on Facebook that they'll be building 2 new TDA's for Washington D.C. as well as 2 new tractors and refurbishing the trailers and aerials. It appears they're surviving. I wonder if they're still building FDNY pumpers...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by laddertruckgoes View Post
                      The 425 ISL is lighter weight then the Big Block options and is a pretty strong motor itself. Same as dealing with a Quint, the single screw aerialscope is a weight game... so saving a few hundred pounds here and there makes a big deal in the end.

                      Woodbridge - Strictly opinion here, but I would venture to say that the 75' aerialscope remount, fully loaded, is close in weight but probably a little less then a 75' quint fully loaded with 400 - 500 gallons of water on and 6 men in the cab. Eitherway, there's only so much you can put on a 51k single rear chassis and no manufacturer today is going to knowingly overload a chassis.

                      Back to the ISL motor - our new KoolAidQuint has the ISL 425 as well. In appleton last week, that thing flew around very nicely - sadly it was very comparable to our current rig and its 475 8V92 which we are near and dear with. (Smokes alot less too) Again though, I'm certain that 8V92 weights an amazing amount more then the ISL does. (CE11... Yardo... anyone know off the top of their head?)

                      I'll crunch the #s a little later but a 8V92 isn't all that heavy. The ISL might edge it just a little. Detroit 8V92T 2395# Cummins ISL 425 1685# so not all that much different about 700ish #. Torque as follows 8V92T 1316 Ft lbs at 1600,the ISL is [email protected], T.C.
                      Last edited by Rescue101; 07-31-2010, 12:57 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Rescue101 View Post
                        I'll crunch the #s a little later but a 8V92 isn't all that heavy. The ISL might edge it just a little. Detroit 8V92T 2395# Cummins ISL 425 1685# so not all that much different about 700ish #. Torque as follows 8V92T 1316 Ft lbs at 1600,the ISL is [email protected], T.C.
                        We want to install a ( Bulldog 427 HP ) Re-mack into our old Scope with a 4000 EVS trans, or HT740 automatic do you think it will fit in the CF chassis, it would need a larger size cooling system, and maybe install a vent or screen in the grill ?
                        Last edited by WoodbridgeFFII; 07-31-2010, 04:02 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ZMastr28 View Post
                          What engine does the Pelham Manor scope have in it?

                          It's nice to see Seagrave get a order like this. I also saw on Facebook that they'll be building 2 new TDA's for Washington D.C. as well as 2 new tractors and refurbishing the trailers and aerials. It appears they're surviving. I wonder if they're still building FDNY pumpers...
                          The Seagrave drawing for the Pelham rebuild called out a Cummins ISM 500HP motor. I'm pretty sure that Seagrave completed the last big FDNY pumper order. Who knows what they will go with on the next order but it will probably be Ferrara but only if the RM aerials that will be getting from Ferrara satisfy them to include warranty/service support. This is what killed Seagrave up there.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by WoodbridgeFFII View Post
                            We want to install a ( Bulldog 427 HP ) into our old Scope with a 4000 EVS trans, do you think it will fit in the CF chassis ?
                            If it's the old 673 c.i. block it should go. But if it's the E7 block (11.9 L. or 730 c.i.), that's questionable. The trans and rear(s) should take it. But I'd be very concerned about cooling it. The buff group on Staten Island had a CF that they had major cooling problems with. It was a 673, but I don't remember what version. Installing electric fans on the radiator helped, but I don't think it solved the problem.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by laddertruckgoes View Post
                              The 425 ISL is lighter weight then the Big Block options and is a pretty strong motor itself. Same as dealing with a Quint, the single screw aerialscope is a weight game... so saving a few hundred pounds here and there makes a big deal in the end.

                              Woodbridge - Strictly opinion here, but I would venture to say that the 75' aerialscope remount, fully loaded, is close in weight but probably a little less then a 75' quint fully loaded with 400 - 500 gallons of water on and 6 men in the cab. Eitherway, there's only so much you can put on a 51k single rear chassis and no manufacturer today is going to knowingly overload a chassis.

                              Back to the ISL motor - our new KoolAidQuint has the ISL 425 as well. In appleton last week, that thing flew around very nicely - sadly it was very comparable to our current rig and its 475 8V92 which we are near and dear with. (Smokes alot less too) Again though, I'm certain that 8V92 weights an amazing amount more then the ISL does. (CE11... Yardo... anyone know off the top of their head?)
                              Looks like Tim answered your question. He did just what I would have done, looked it up. The ISL should do fine in your flatland.

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