Newark new jersey order ferrara pumpers

[spec-tec]

EVIS is reporting that the City of Newark New Jersey has ordered Three Ferrara Fire Apparatus Heavy Duty Pumpers. Anyone have any info?

[tomr]

I know the original plan was to order two with an add-on for another. Perhaps they decided to order all three now instead. I do not have any specs on the rigs at the moment. There was a lot of difficulty with the bid process, there was even thoughts of a re-bid, and this is how it ended up working out. The order of bidders: (low to high) Crimson, Ferrara, Smeal, Eone, Pierce and Seagrave. Eone & Pierce were very close together, they could be reversed. I don't have my records handy. I am not an official NFD spokesman.

[Reliance]

If Crimson was low bidder what was wrong with the bid.

[Jonnee]

EVIS is reporting that the City of Newark New Jersey has ordered Three Ferrara Fire Apparatus Heavy Duty Pumpers. Anyone have any info?

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[Jonnee]

EVIS is reporting that the City of Newark New Jersey has ordered Three Ferrara Fire Apparatus Heavy Duty Pumpers. Anyone have any info?

Didn't know they built them! LOL

[GTRider245]

Seagrave high bid again...imagine that.

[tomr]

As I understand it, Crimson was rejected for two major exceptions:
1. not being completely ISO 9001 certified. I think either the Spartan plant or the Crimson plant is not certified. Not sure which one. They believe they meet that standard but are not actually certified.
2. For some unknown reason, there is a new clause in the specs that requires the assembly plants for cab/chassis and the body (if different) to be less than 60 miles apart. The spartan plant in Michigan and the crimson plant in S. Dakota exceed that distance. Why that would make a difference in the quality of the assembled vehicle is beyond me. I believe this clause was put in to exclude all of the smaller builders that do not build their own cabs. Thats my opinion of course! As I stated earlier, this was not a well run bid process and it seems there were favorites and non-favorites.

[LeadOff]

For some unknown reason, there is a new clause in the specs that requires the assembly plants for cab/chassis and the body (if different) to be less than 60 miles apart.

If Newark was buying a ladder truck, I wonder if their spec would also require the ladder to be built at an assembly plant less than 60 miles from the cab/chassis and body plant(s)? If so, that would throw out Ferrara. I guess if they were favoring Ferrara, they would conveniently drop that clause out of the spec. Ya think?

[tomr]

Anything is possible and anything can be changed to suit your needs!

[FWDbuff]

I believe this clause was put in to exclude all of the smaller builders that do not build their own cabs. Thats my opinion of course! As I stated earlier, this was not a well run bid process and it seems there were favorites and non-favorites.

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Not in a fire apparatus specification/bid!!!!! That would nevvvvvver happen! Not at all!!!!!! I just find that impossible to believe!

[93Cobra]

Too bad they didn't have Sutphen quote it... plants are all close together and they make all of their own stuff.

[Ledebuhr1]

Im surpried any department would put in the specs that the Chassis and Body cant be built more than 60miles apart. that really limits who can bid on their trucks. Would that detail in the specs pass any legal challanges?

[tomr]

I don't see how that would pass any legal challenge since there is no justification as to why that would affect the quality of the finished product. It also disqualifies a number of potential bidders for no apparent reason. One of the objectives in writing a set of specifications is to allow the maximum amount of bidders while preserving the right of the department to get an apparatus that fits the needs of that department. The more potential bidders...the greater the competition....the better the price quote. Thats my opinion anyway.

[neiowa]

Certainly no problem getting 3 or more bids with that clause. Which would satisfy even the Feds. A bit unusual though. Would be interesting to read the rest of the clause in the spec ..... "due to ___________________"

What, top of the frame rails might be exposed to the elements, potential for gravel dings on rear of the cab?

[Bones42]

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Not in a fire apparatus specification/bid!!!!! That would nevvvvvver happen! Not at all!!!!!! I just find that impossible to believe!

And it wasn't that long ago that NJ did an investigation into apparatus purchases and claimed to have rooted out the problem.

Of course, just about any FD in the world is smarter than a politician.


What is sad is the amount of money wasted on the bidding process when they knew who would win the bid before even starting it.