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  • #16
    We run are engine first to any MVA...even if it is only manned by one person...the idea is to get the big truck in proper position to secure the scene so we have a safe working area.

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    • #17
      We run our Rescue Engine 1st out and if manpower is available we will run our Medic 2nd out. www.hickorycreekfire.org

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      • #18
        Combination dept here...each station has at least one f/t career FAE (or CPT) staffing, several stations staff 1-2 FAE + 1 CPT. Vollies may staff if they have time + desire, however POV response from home is "the norm" (flow of traffic--no lights/sirens permitted in CA).

        Standard MVA response is 2 heavies, excepting the "north-central" station, their extrication gear is on their Patrol...and they're the only station in the County set up that way. Everywhere else, extrication is on the Engines (there are no "Rescues" here--we have Engines, Patrols, one Aerial Truck, one Breathing Support, and Utilities--SUVs and pickups with a few hand tools and a BLS bag).
        My opinions might coincide with someone of importance's POV... I wouldn't know, since I never bothered to ask. My policy is: "Don't ask, don't care."

        IACOJ--West Coast PITA

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        • #19
          We roll our rescue truck first. We figure dispatch doesnt always get the info from the witnesses. I know so Depts. roll there engine first because of haveing fire involved in the wreck!! Hope this helps..Chuck

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          • #20
            Originally posted by cgunter
            We roll our rescue truck first. We figure dispatch doesnt always get the info from the witnesses. I know so Depts. roll there engine first because of haveing fire involved in the wreck!! Hope this helps..Chuck
            SOP for us is first on-scene Engine (or Patrol, on 2+ staffed stations we typically roll 1 on the Engine and 1 on the Patrol instead of 2 on the Engine...or 2 Engines if the station is so equipped) pulls & charges a minimum 1.5" "jump line" (typically the bumper preconnect) for fire protection before taking patient care/extrication actions.

            TAs in the designated "Wildland Response Area" (I-5 from the Kings/Kern line north to the Kings/Fresno line and I-5 west to the Kings/Monterey or Kings/SLO lines) during fire season get a full Wildland response--3 heavies and 4 Patrols until cancelled by the first on-scene unit or a BC.
            My opinions might coincide with someone of importance's POV... I wouldn't know, since I never bothered to ask. My policy is: "Don't ask, don't care."

            IACOJ--West Coast PITA

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            • #21
              MVC Response:

              1. Engine 4 (2006 ALF)
              2. Rescue 1 (1996 Freightliner)
              3. Engine 3 (1995 Freightliner)
              4. Utility 8 (1980's Suburban)

              Everything after Engine 4 is based on member response. Ussually we can get enough people to get the engine out, though it has been close a few times. Also all our engines carry a portable hurst generator and at least one combi tool. Our rescue carries the heavier tools.
              Do a little dance, make a little rum, Italian Ice! Italian Ice!

              Actual lyric: Do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight, get down tonight.
              (KC & The Sunshine Band "Do A Little Dance")

              My thoughts are mine alone and do not represent the thoughts of any Organization to which I am affiliated.

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              • #22
                A Question regarding this thread????

                I would like to pose a question that has to do with the title of this thread. This is directed to the folks that roll an Engine 1st and that may or may not have extrication equipment on board. And your standard response is 1st out Engine 2nd out Rescue and so on. You are on an all volunteer department or a combination department.

                Lets say you are dispatched to a 2 vehicle MVA with unknown entrapment. Your Engine has 3 personnel on it and when it arrives you find that you have 1 patient heavily entraped. At this point you discover you do not have anymore responders enroute to the station to respond with your Rescue. Is it now that you start rethinking responding with an Engine 1st out? I know the standard response would be to depend on auto or mutual aid or request a second tone (entrapment alarm). But, is leaving that rescue equipment at the station really that smart?

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                • #23
                  MVA with no reports of smoke or fire:
                  Rescue 1 - late 80's ford/E-One with Walk around box Holmatro tools, ability to run up to 4 tools at the same time. Has full BLS medical supplies
                  Engine 2 - 1990 E-one cyclone. Has BLS jump kit.
                  Rescue 2 - F-350 with medical, water rescue, and tech rescue stuff
                  Also the ambulance service will send a ALS unit if available or a BLS unit with ALS back up. They send their own squad if there is entrapment.

                  If there is fire we simply send Engine 2 first and probably Engine 3 before Rescue 2.

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                  • #24
                    Combo Department - 1 24/7 man with an 8-5 paid firefighter 7 days a week and a FT Chief in the house M-F 8-5. All are based at our Central Station.
                    Rescue and an Engine housed here.

                    4 Other Stations are all volunteer

                    We roll the Rescue from Central Station first, and an lengine from either Central Station (daytime or when a 2nd driver is riding out) or the closest all-vollie station.

                    Exception is the interstate which gets a 2nd engine w/ a combi-tool (both of the engines stations near the interstate exits have a tool) heading in the oppisite direction of the first responding engine, as many times, the reported direction of travel is incorrect.
                    Last edited by LaFireEducator; 08-02-2006, 05:55 PM.
                    Train to fight the fires you fight.

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                    • #25
                      For a an MVA not involving fire:
                      - Heavy rescue
                      - 1st due Engine
                      - light rescue (EMS)
                      - 2nd due engine (traffic)
                      - Utility truck (traffic)


                      For MVA's involving fire:
                      - 1st due engine
                      - Heavy rescue
                      - Tanker
                      - Light rescue
                      - 2nd due engine (traffic)
                      - Utility truck (traffic)
                      Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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                      • #26
                        What we roll outta both of my Departments

                        This is what we roll outta both of my Departments. I work career Engineer at one Department and a Paid-Call Engineer at the second Department.

                        Career Department:
                        Engine (with full set of extrication equipment)
                        Truck
                        Duty Chief

                        Paid-Call Department:
                        (2) Engines (with full set of extrication equipment)
                        Medic Ambulance
                        Squad/Patrol (with extrication equipment)
                        Duty Chief

                        We roll additional equipment if "Air Ops" is to be assigned or needed. The nice part of rolling a Patrol with extrication equipment is that if Air Ops are needed, they can land the Air Ambulance...... however, I don't personally agree with that since they are supposed to be the ones who if a crash were to happen they would have to "cut a rescue path" for the crew........ Class A foam is like ****in' in the wind with that amount of fuel being ignited; I prefer an Engine (Type 1) for my Air Ops. but then again I don't really dictate our policies either.
                        At my Career Department, if Air Ops. are needed then we "punch out" the Krash from Station 2 and they handle the L.Z. location, communications with the Air Ambulance and also get the patient info. for the Flight Crew.
                        The key here is to make it as simple as possible, if you only have manning for your Engine then why not put the extrication equipment on the Engine or if another Engine that is reasonably close has extrication equipment and you don't, then roll them with you..... it's better to have too many people at the party then not enough.
                        "Be LOUD, Be PROUD..... It just might save your can someday when goin' through an intersection!!!!!"

                        Life on the Truck (Quint) is good.....

                        Eat til you're sleepy..... Sleep til you're hungry..... And repeat.....

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by RES81CUE
                          I would like to pose a question that has to do with the title of this thread. This is directed to the folks that roll an Engine 1st and that may or may not have extrication equipment on board. And your standard response is 1st out Engine 2nd out Rescue and so on. You are on an all volunteer department or a combination department.

                          Lets say you are dispatched to a 2 vehicle MVA with unknown entrapment. Your Engine has 3 personnel on it and when it arrives you find that you have 1 patient heavily entraped. At this point you discover you do not have anymore responders enroute to the station to respond with your Rescue. Is it now that you start rethinking responding with an Engine 1st out? I know the standard response would be to depend on auto or mutual aid or request a second tone (entrapment alarm). But, is leaving that rescue equipment at the station really that smart?
                          We acctaully have this covered. Our worst time for response (as for most stations) is during the daytime. On any MVC another rescue is automatically dispatched, coming from whichever 2nd due company is closest. We have the same thing for house and building fires as well as almost any other fire alarm we run, but that is not pertinent to this thread.
                          Last edited by tbonetrexler; 07-31-2006, 02:52 PM. Reason: i can't spell
                          Do a little dance, make a little rum, Italian Ice! Italian Ice!

                          Actual lyric: Do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight, get down tonight.
                          (KC & The Sunshine Band "Do A Little Dance")

                          My thoughts are mine alone and do not represent the thoughts of any Organization to which I am affiliated.

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                          • #28
                            Your Engine has 3 personnel on it and when it arrives you find that you have 1 patient heavily entraped. At this point you discover you do not have anymore responders enroute to the station to respond with your Rescue. Is it now that you start rethinking responding with an Engine 1st out?
                            Nope. As stated previously, we don't have "Rescues", per se. "Rescue" equipment (full set of Hurst tools--spreaders, cutters, rams; plus airbags and a hell of a lot of cribbing) is carried on the Engine (if that station has extrication gear), therefore it's not a problem. Besides, our initial response for any MVA is at least two Engines, which roll immediately even if the only staffing is the FAE/CPT driving it.
                            My opinions might coincide with someone of importance's POV... I wouldn't know, since I never bothered to ask. My policy is: "Don't ask, don't care."

                            IACOJ--West Coast PITA

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                            • #29
                              We roll our crash truck first, has all our extrication tools, blocks, cones, etc. on it. Then we roll our engine second.
                              Lieutenant/EMT-B

                              VSFFA Member

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by the1141man
                                which roll immediately even if the only staffing is the FAE/CPT driving it.
                                WOAH hold up a second.

                                Are you saying that you roll a engine driver only to an MVC, where you most likely will need manpower, especially if there it is extrication?
                                Do a little dance, make a little rum, Italian Ice! Italian Ice!

                                Actual lyric: Do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight, get down tonight.
                                (KC & The Sunshine Band "Do A Little Dance")

                                My thoughts are mine alone and do not represent the thoughts of any Organization to which I am affiliated.

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