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    At what age, if any, must you be to enter a burning building ? I live in Pennsylvania, wasn't sure if there was such a state law that you must be a certain age. Also, is there a certain age(if any) you can use a blue light ? We have a junior fireman that is the age of 16 going on 17 that runs a blue light.He has no traning and has only maybe 2 years in the department. he will be going to fire school this fall, even after this i feel he shouldn't be the first one in the door in a burning building. I think he will be a good FF in the furture but he wants to do everything with no training or experience.

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    My department, (Read my Location section under my screename) enforces 18 for such activities. We can take basic at 16, but have to wait until we are 18 to go for intermediate, because of the live burn.
    IACOJ

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    • #3
      I believe OSHA requires you to be 18 to enter a burning building (because you are entering a hazardous enviorment). I believe they also require you to be 18 to wear an air pack. child labor laws also come into play here.

      blue lights are usually 18 and an non-probationary member, but it depends one the department.
      If my basic HazMat training has taught me nothing else, it's that if you see a glowing green monkey running away from something, follow that monkey!

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      • #4
        Pennsylvania is not an OSHA state so you do have to go by the Child Labor laws which state you must be 18 to enter a hazardous environment. That's why if you take PA Essentials when under 18 you have to come back once you turn 18 to do your burn and get your certificate.

        As far as the blue light is concerned that is strictly up to the Chief. We don't allow our juniors to run blue lights.
        Steve Dragon
        FFII, Fire Instructor II, Fire Officer I, Fire Appartus Driver Operator Certified
        Volunteers are never "off duty".
        http://www.bufd7.org

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        • #5
          I don't want to start anything here, but if you pass the class, and complete the burns, you have demonstrated that you are sufficiently knowledgeable and physically fit enough to perform on the fireground, so shouldn't you be able to go into a burning building? obviously there should be a probationary period, but I think simply not allowing them to practice (ie go in the building) is silly. You all started out on an even playing feild, and so I don't really see a difference between a 17 year old and a 19 year old who have both passed the class.



          -Dan
          FFII/EMT

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          • #6
            Here in Kansas the minimum age is 18, which is required by OSHA. As to the lights, I believe that it is at the discretion of the Fire Chief and local law enforcement.

            Why is there an age limit? Because there has to be a cutoff line somewhere. What is the difference between a 16 and a 17 year old? What is the difference between a 16 and a 15... There has to be a standard at some point, especially in firefighting! Its not a game on the streets - its the real thing. Yes, I feel the "pain" of eager juniors - that is where I got my start, but these standards have to be inserted somewhere or you will have problems.

            My two cents.

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            • #7
              In SC, age is 18 for interior structural firefighting per Child Labor Laws. The fire academy now requires all students to be 18 prior to starting any classes. Our Juniors cannot run lights/siren or 4 way flashers on POV's (our policy).

              Couple of years ago 16-18 year olds could take Basic FF course and do burn with parental permission but now you are required to be 18 for any class taught by fire academy. Obviously they could not enter an actual burning structure until 18.
              Last edited by cmjones; 09-18-2003, 10:29 PM.

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              • #8
                Out of interest what laws do you have regarding taking female firefighters under the age of 18 on fire appliances/training etc. Here we can't take any females under 18 unless they are with another female who has completed a special police check. Which sometimes is not possible, the same law applies for the males but we don't usually encounter a problem due to the fact that more males are in the brigade.Also in regards to the topic you have to be 18 to do get your CABA certificate so that counts out any under 18 year olds doing interior attack, but once you are 16 you can get basic qualifications and attend incidents.

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                • #9
                  Excuse me...

                  Originally posted by firetruck32
                  Out of interest what laws do you have regarding taking female firefighters under the age of 18 on fire appliances/training etc. Here we can't take any females under 18 unless they are with another female who has completed a special police check. Which sometimes is not possible, the same law applies for the males but we don't usually encounter a problem due to the fact that more males are in the brigade.Also in regards to the topic you have to be 18 to do get your CABA certificate so that counts out any under 18 year olds doing interior attack, but once you are 16 you can get basic qualifications and attend incidents.
                  I can understand the rationale behind making sure any women 18 and under are kept "safe" from those dirty old men who spend their time in the mall gawking at the mid-riff baring girls, but why should an older woman who has passed a police check be the only protection? It seems to me that ALL members of the department should be watching out for any kind of harassment either from within or outside of the department and following the applicable policies in reporting any inappropriate behavior.

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                  • #10
                    In Alabama, the age to participate in any firefighting (structural interior, exterior, or wildland) is 18. Just like the other states mentioned here, it is a child labor law that limits the duties of an underage employee.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Daniel4880
                      I don't want to start anything here, but if you pass the class, and complete the burns, you have demonstrated that you are sufficiently knowledgeable and physically fit enough to perform on the fireground, so shouldn't you be able to go into a burning building?

                      You haven't been reading the posts. It seems like there is NO place you can do a burn if you are under 18. It's all due to Child Labor Laws that don't allow minors in a hazardous environment.

                      That's why they're not doing the burn session. It has nothing to do with knowledge or fitness.
                      Steve Dragon
                      FFII, Fire Instructor II, Fire Officer I, Fire Appartus Driver Operator Certified
                      Volunteers are never "off duty".
                      http://www.bufd7.org

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                      • #12
                        18 and firefighter I to enter a burning structure
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                        • #13
                          The law in Ohio states that you must be 18 and at least Frefighter 1 to enter a burning structure. You must be 18 to get an type of Firefighting certificate also.
                          Ryan

                          I.A.C.O.J. Probie

                          You gain strength, courage, and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face. You must do the thing which you think you cannot do. -Eleanor Roosevelt

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                          • #14
                            Pennsylvania has regulations (I believe through the Department of Labor and Industry) which spell out what junior firefighters are permitted to do. Juniors are not permitted to enter burning structures, operate aerial ladders, use hydraulic rescue tools and a few other things that I can not recall off the top of my head. There are also certain times that juniors are not permitted to respond to calls, usually late at night or during school hours. If your department does not have these posted they should.

                            I am not sure if there is anything in the state laws about juniors using blue lights. It has always been our policy, and everyone elses that I am aware of, that juniors are not permitted to use blue lights.

                            Blue lights are over-rated IMO anyway. They tend to do nothing more than make people drive stupid. You are better off taking the extra minute to get to the station safely.
                            Thomas Anthony, PE
                            Structures Specialist PA-TF1 & PA-ST1
                            Paramedic / Rescue Tech North Huntington Twp EMS
                            The artist formerly known as Captain 10-2

                            No, I am not a water rescue technician, but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

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                            • #15
                              Child Labor Laws State You Have To Be 18 to Work as A Firefighter...You should not run an emergemcy light in your POV unless it is 100% neccesary and then I believe Florida law says you need an audible warning device as well.You should also be required to have an EVOC course...
                              Jonesy
                              Fail to plan. Plan to fail.

                              FL EMT-B
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