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  • Basement nozzle

    So our dept has been kicking around buying a cellar nozzle but just keep kicking it around if it's worth it. What's everyone's thought? For the cost of one and the use you would see out of it and the weight of that one time that it saves a house or a life. Is it worth it?

  • #2
    Been in the business for over 30 years, and never seen (or really even heard of) one being used. Having said that, I think they actually might be good for use (under the right conditions) from an aerial platform to get under a roof on certain fires. We've all seen that fire where there's a hole in the roof but you can't get water on the fire to the sides of the hole, particularly on a metal roof. A Bresnan distributor on a short section of 2 1/2" might be a good option in the right conditions. There's probably more options as well, I think a lot of times they're either buried behind a bunch of other stuff and forgotten, or it's too dangerous to be on top of the fire.


    • #3
      In my opinion it is one of those tools that gets used maybe once or twice in a career, but when it is needed nothing else will come close to doing the job as well.
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      • #4
        I see this nozzle being far less relevant as they build more and more homes with lightweight truss floors. There have been many, many instances where members have fallen through the floor when it failed very early in the fire.

        If you still have an older housing stock with non-truss first floors, it may be worth the investment, but even in that case, the faster and hotter burning hydrocarbon fueled fires of today will likely weaken that floor much faster than 20 or 30 years ago. I just don't see attacking a basement fire from the first floor as viable much of the time anymore.

        Even 20 years ago, as Fryed said, it was used maybe once a year. Today .... Not so much.
        Train to fight the fires you fight.


        • #5
          We have used ours several times but it's been on debris piles burning under a bridge. It works well for those.


          • #6
            We use ours in more ways than just punching through a floor to the basement. You can go through walls or a ceiling in a structure. We've thrown them under the hood of a engine compartment fire.


            • #7
              I think you are confusing a piercing nozzle and a basement nozzle. They are two very, very different things.


              • #8
                If I am reading the ISO requirements correctly, a piercing nozzle can substitute for a cellar nozzle. And given the option, I definitely favor the piercing nozzle. If we remember that we have it, we can use it in a lot of situations where the cellar nozzle is useless.

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                • #9
                  A piercing nozzle will be more useful, though we often forget to use it when we have the opportunity.
                  Train to fight the fires you fight.


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