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    Does your dept. have age requirments?
    Ours are 21yo for applicants and 67yo for retirment. We have been considering making some changes to the retirment age. Only having 25 members we need to make room for younger firfighters but we also don't want to lose the experienced guys. How would you react.

    The retirment age we affect the Chief and Asst. Chief in the next 4 years.

  • #2
    Why 21 and not 18?
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    • #3
      Eighteen to join (and take NYS classes), no upper limit. Most folks realize it's a younger person's game, but that the old dogs still bring a lot to the table.
      Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

      Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by HAFD112 View Post
        Does your dept. have age requirments?
        Ours are 21yo for applicants and 67yo for retirment. We have been considering making some changes to the retirment age. Only having 25 members we need to make room for younger firfighters but we also don't want to lose the experienced guys. How would you react.

        The retirment age we affect the Chief and Asst. Chief in the next 4 years.
        Here it is 16 to join as a junior member and take the classes. We have no upper age limit, but most of the older members stick to driving apparatus or doing admin tasks.

        Sounds like you limit the number of members. Maybe that is a place to look if you need to bring in more members.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by nmfire View Post
          Why 21 and not 18?
          At 18 most people are not finish with their education, we don't want to train people and then have them go off to college or move away for a job. The powers that be like to get folks with a steady job, a couple kids, and own a house. I have seen exptions made: but it's 21 in the bylaws.

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          • #6
            Age

            If you have a combined fire department i.e. Paid and Volunteer I think 18 for the lower age and 67 is about right for the upper although there are plenty of us older guy's who can still help out. I would hate to be the one who tells the Chief or Assistant Chief they are out the door because of their age.
            Respectfully,
            Jay Dudley
            Retired Fire
            Background Investigator
            IACOJ-Member
            Lifetime Member CSFA
            IAFF Alumni Member

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            • #7
              Originally posted by HAFD112 View Post
              At 18 most people are not finish with their education, we don't want to train people and then have them go off to college or move away for a job. The powers that be like to get folks with a steady job, a couple kids, and own a house. I have seen exptions made: but it's 21 in the bylaws.
              Then don't expect to get much of an improvement. Most places that take members at 18 (or younger) keep a good percentage of them as they get older and those people would not have joined if they weren't given the opportunity early.
              Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by HAFD112 View Post
                At 18 most people are not finish with their education, we don't want to train people and then have them go off to college or move away for a job. The powers that be like to get folks with a steady job, a couple kids, and own a house. I have seen exptions made: but it's 21 in the bylaws.
                Unfortunately by the time you do all of that, especially the house and kids, you no longer have a lot of time for the required training and to do the volunteer thing. There are exceptions, but the opinion around here is that it's better to catch them early when they have time to train and spend time at the station and then keep them through school and as they get older.

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                • #9
                  Yep.........

                  Originally posted by Eng34FF View Post
                  Unfortunately by the time you do all of that, especially the house and kids, you no longer have a lot of time for the required training and to do the volunteer thing. There are exceptions, but the opinion around here is that it's better to catch them early when they have time to train and spend time at the station and then keep them through school and as they get older.

                  Absolutely!!......... You have hit it right in the center with those comments.


                  HAFD - No disrespect intended, but your Rules sound like they are set up to discourage people instead of bring them in. I'm 68, about to turn 69, and if you started on me about "Retirement" (and you were serious) I'd be talking with my Lawyer..........
                  Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
                  In memory of
                  Chief Earle W. Woods, 1912 - 1997
                  Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

                  IACOJ Budget Analyst

                  I Refuse to be a Spectator. If I come to the Game, I'm Playing.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by hwoods View Post
                    Absolutely!!......... You have hit it right in the center with those comments.


                    HAFD - No disrespect intended, but your Rules sound like they are set up to discourage people instead of bring them in. I'm 68, about to turn 69, and if you started on me about "Retirement" (and you were serious) I'd be talking with my Lawyer..........
                    Right there with you Harve...

                    A few years back, it was suggested I was too old to continue service. I proceeded to challenge the powers at be to a foot race, they can pick the distance and course. They decided that it was not necessary to discuss the issue further.

                    I went ahead and decided to retire anyway since I really didn't want to work for people that didn't know what they were doing any given moment.

                    That was the best decision of my career. It allowed me to serve on a contract basis for several other departments over the years. Plus, I have been able to live and work in several dream locations.

                    Even mouse world gets old after a while.

                    HAFD: Your dept is behind the times my friend. You need to understand that if you get a young persons attention early enough, you will be able to build your future rosters.

                    Start when they are about 1st or 2nd grade and follow them until they reach 9th. Just change the message for older kids. There are plenty of things that will interest even a 12 and 14 year old. When the time is right, about 15, recruit them into a Cadet or Explorer Program.

                    If you have the means, adopt a live-in program. Members live at your station while they go to college or technical school. They agree to respond or be available for defined duty hours in exchange for free housing, cable TV, internet, etc... Depending on the situation, you might find it possible to staff the station everyday with these people. Sure, they may move on, but use them while you have them.

                    Don't overlook females. I have seen some that can run circles around some guys. My wife joined the service while I was on a exchange mission years ago. She even took my position. Talk about tough. She is... and now is Deputy Chief at a different department from where I am; another State.

                    Morale: Change your thinking and expand your candidate pool. Listen to the guys that have been around a while... like Harve.

                    I know, change is hard. But so is watching a house burn to the ground because of lack of manpower.
                    HAVE PLAN.............WILL TRAVEL

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                    • #11
                      18 to join, but you aren't really good at it until you are 40.

                      I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                      "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                      "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
                        18 to join, but you aren't really good at it until you are 40.

                        Or 50.....
                        HAVE PLAN.............WILL TRAVEL

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                        • #13
                          It was 18 when I started 41 yrs ago, but now we have Restricted Members that FF1. We have no upper end, but starting next year they are lowering the age we can start collecting from the LOSAP from 65 to 60. If you are collecting you can still participate and add to the plan. If you have only 25 members why would have to make room for new ones. We have over 100 members in our FD.
                          Stephen J Bourassa
                          Latham FD (NY)
                          member since 1969
                          challenge competitor since 1993

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                          • #14
                            Age Requirement

                            Our state workers compensation coverage requires age 18 and older.

                            Even if a firefighter completes FF1 at your department and eventually moves to another department, he will be an asset at his new department.

                            I know it takes alot of time, energy and funding to train new firefighters to FF1, but if every department did this, all firefighters would have the training.

                            I have had several members join our FD that completed FF1 at their previous FD. It was great getting a new member who already had the training.

                            Those older guys who have been around for years, can be an asset as mentors to the newer guys. Showing them the ropes. Younger guys are eager to learn and one training officer cannot do it all. If any of those older members have an expertise and want to teach classes, let them do it.

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                            • #15
                              Yeah.........

                              Originally posted by PaladinKnight View Post
                              Or 50.....
                              Or 60......
                              Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
                              In memory of
                              Chief Earle W. Woods, 1912 - 1997
                              Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

                              IACOJ Budget Analyst

                              I Refuse to be a Spectator. If I come to the Game, I'm Playing.

                              www.gdvfd18.com

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