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  • #31
    Another opinion from Riverside.

    Hi Guys, I am a Volunteer FAE here in the Riverside County FD. I ask that everyone would please stop entertaining this nonsense here on this board. We are not all jackasses like we are being represented here. I have worked hard to have great relations with the career folks at my station and this bull**** only serves to destroy that. We have some great guys at all levels on both sides here in the unit. I don't know who RVC FF is but he is NOT speaking for me or my crew at VFC35. Thanks, John Mendiola

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    • #32
      Hi John:

      So are you part of the social media awareness effort?

      How many of the 500 are part of the website/pr campaign?

      Mike

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      • #33
        Originally posted by DeputyMarshal View Post

        If you want intelligent people to support your cause, you need to show them both sides of the issue. Hype and unsupported propaganda will only get you the sheep.
        Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
        Sent my support by posting on your website.
        Prosecution rests your honor.

        Oh, and I fully support the volunteer fire service. It is only when they stop providing the services expected of them that it is time to upgrade the system. The public gets what they pay for in fire protection, and there is nothing wrong with that.
        Last edited by FiremanLyman; 08-09-2010, 09:18 PM.
        ~Drew
        Firefighter/EMT/Technical Rescue
        USAR TF Rescue Specialist

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        • #34
          Originally posted by RVC_FF View Post
          This info was posted on this site from the campaign arm of the RCVFA, saveourvolunteerfirefighters. org.

          It represents our 500 volunteer firefighter membership in this struggle to stop our elimination. We specifically set up a different site away from our main site.
          According to the department website they have over 1,100 volunteers, what are the opinion of the 600+ that you do not speak for?

          Overview of the Riverside County Fire Department
          Firefighers at work County Fire Department is one of the largest regional fire service organizations in California. The Department responded to 110,224 incidents during the 2005 calendar year. The Department is staffed with approximately 952 career and 1,100 volunteer personnel, and currently serves approximately 2 million residents in an area of 7,004 square miles. The Riverside County Fire Department service area consists of the unincorporated county areas; 18 contract cities, and one Community Service District (CSD). The incorporated cities of Hemet, Palm Springs, Cathedral City, Murrieta, Riverside, Corona and Norco administer and operate their own fire departments.
          rvcfire.org

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          • #35
            Originally posted by MikeWard View Post
            Hi John:

            So are you part of the social media awareness effort?

            How many of the 500 are part of the website/pr campaign?

            Mike
            Well.. The last I heard we were showing 406 on the comp roster..... I personally don't know anyone who subscribes to this crap. My crew at 35 is onboard with the new program and ready to roll. I know that at least 2 of the neighboring battalions are also ready to go. And no, I am not part of any effort. I heard about this yesterday and wanted to check it out. What I saw was pretty bad. Anyway... Thanks and have a good day, John

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            • #36
              Enough and RVCFF ......

              So what are the major differences in the new system v. the old system.

              Are the VFD still independent? has the command structure changed? is there now mandatory training levels that were not in place in the past?

              Give us an idea as to what changes are being implemented.
              Train to fight the fires you fight.

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              • #37
                One of the hazards of being a blogger is that I write about what I spend my time on:

                http://firegeezer.com/2010/08/11/the...ouse-syndrome/

                Gotta note that the supervisor's decision has been postponed to the September meeting.

                Mike

                PS to LaFireEducator, the Google is a valuable tool. There are seven articles about the proposed consolidation, some with extensive details.

                Community VFDs gone, 500 unpaid employees of CalFIRE/Riverside County. Filling the fourth seat of an engine company.
                Last edited by MikeWard; 08-11-2010, 05:05 PM. Reason: added PS

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                • #38
                  Sounds like a power grab and the requirements will pose issues for many traditional volunteers.

                  Why the focus on riding out rather than responding from home?
                  Train to fight the fires you fight.

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                  • #39
                    Are we going into conjecture and speculation? Why change now?
                    It could also be the new administration attempt at reeling in adolescent, freelancing, misfits that may have been allowed to run unchecked by the last administration.
                    What is wrong with the new administration evaluating the fire fighters and assigning them as he sees fit? His neck, his call.

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                    • #40
                      Whenever I see the words "straight talk" used on a website or political campaign... it is far from straight and it isn't talking.. it's yelling and screaming...
                      ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
                      Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

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                      • #41
                        Or in this case, a bunch of crying and whining. Sometimes things are out of your control. You can either get on board and work with the new plan, or be shown the door.

                        Like others have mentioned, the OP has yet to provide any solid information on how the citizens will be affected poorly by this new system. And it also seems they don't have the voice of the majority.
                        Career Firefighter
                        Volunteer Captain

                        -Professional in Either Role-

                        Originally posted by Rescue101
                        I don't mind fire rolling over my head. I just don't like it rolling UNDER my a**.

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                        • #42
                          And he probably won't be back to answer these questions either.
                          Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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                          • #43
                            Well...............

                            I haven't Read all the other stuff, just what's posted here, BUT, i have a few Observations, Comments, Questions, whatever. (No Suprise there...)

                            Does anyone have an explanation of what is wrong with having a Fire Station and Apparatus operated with Volunteers in an Urban setting?? We have had that here forever and it works....

                            Is there a problem with Standards and Training?? Why?? If someone wants to be a Volunteer, meet the requirements and Volunteer as much as you want. Having said that, I think requiring a Volunteer to be a Paramedic is too much......

                            There's more, I'll be back.....
                            Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
                            In memory of
                            Chief Earle W. Woods, 1912 - 1997
                            Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

                            IACOJ Budget Analyst

                            I Refuse to be a Spectator. If I come to the Game, I'm Playing.

                            www.gdvfd18.com

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by RVC_FF View Post
                              Orange County Fire took exactly the same tactic when they moved their volunteers into reserves. Now they're only used in anemic support roles with no EMS or fire suppression duties.
                              A little clarification for this numbnuts. The program was restructured in 2002. It was restructured because the response rate at even the best stations was less than 20% and the personnel turnover was about 35% per year.

                              When I left a couple of years back, the overall response rate was about 20% and the turnover was about 33%. One station in particular had a Type I engine and no one qualified to drive it. Its response rate is zero.

                              There are some units used in suppression roles but since they don't respond no one counted on them and dispatch procedure had been changed to send the nearest career units. One of the chief officers once stated that "the only thing worse than them (the RFF's) not showing up, is if they do show up."

                              The program was a waste of time, energy, and resources. If the entire program had completely gone away, the taxpayer (who was funding this sinkhole) wouldn't have noticed. My observation is the primary motivation for most was twofold. Some to build a resume'. Which would help the good ones get hired. And for those who couldn't get hired, the motivation was to ride on a fire engine and call themselves a firefighter because their lives were pretty pathetic. There were some who were truly interested in public service but they typically didn't stay very long because of the time committments to maintain their training and certifications. I have to believe in this recessionary time, keeping a job is more imnportant than volunteering. Just my opinion.

                              I doubt this post is nothing more than the little ego of someone desperate to be thought a hero and important.
                              They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                              I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                              • #45
                                Hmm............

                                Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                                A little clarification for this numbnuts. The program was restructured in 2002. It was restructured because the response rate at even the best stations was less than 20% and the personnel turnover was about 35% per year.

                                When I left a couple of years back, the overall response rate was about 20% and the turnover was about 33%. One station in particular had a Type I engine and no one qualified to drive it. Its response rate is zero.

                                There are some units used in suppression roles but since they don't respond no one counted on them and dispatch procedure had been changed to send the nearest career units. One of the chief officers once stated that "the only thing worse than them (the RFF's) not showing up, is if they do show up."

                                The program was a waste of time, energy, and resources. If the entire program had completely gone away, the taxpayer (who was funding this sinkhole) wouldn't have noticed. My observation is the primary motivation for most was twofold. Some to build a resume'. Which would help the good ones get hired. And for those who couldn't get hired, the motivation was to ride on a fire engine and call themselves a firefighter because their lives were pretty pathetic. There were some who were truly interested in public service but they typically didn't stay very long because of the time committments to maintain their training and certifications. I have to believe in this recessionary time, keeping a job is more imnportant than volunteering. Just my opinion.

                                I doubt this post is nothing more than the little ego of someone desperate to be thought a hero and important.


                                You and I have Disagreed Big Time on here, But not Today. 20%?? That's Crazy..... Here we get upset when a Station misses a call or two out of several Hundred. I'm at a loss to understand how there can be such a huge difference in Volunteers between the East and West Coasts. Training? I hold 11 NBFSPQ Certs, including Fire Officer IV. Runs? Station Totals are Down each Year since 2003, but back then I was making over a Thousand runs a year, and I wasn't the top runner by any means. "Time Constraints"?? I was Running a lot of Calls, Taking about every other weekend out of Town, (We have a Mountain getaway 1.5 hours west of DC) Maintaining my Training, Enjoying my Family, and Working. Must be something in the Water...........
                                Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
                                In memory of
                                Chief Earle W. Woods, 1912 - 1997
                                Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

                                IACOJ Budget Analyst

                                I Refuse to be a Spectator. If I come to the Game, I'm Playing.

                                www.gdvfd18.com

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