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  • #16
    Originally posted by CATruckie81 View Post
    Absolutely agree with that... at scene, in training is another story all together. Training is where we make muscle memory so that you can do exactly what you outlined in your recent post, Get the thing up! The fireground is not the time to address a deficiency.

    Whether you realize it or not, thats exactly why you did those same evolutions when you were being trained. For the young guys without the reps its not fair to tell them to simply "hit the gym," there is a lot of technique and fine tuning that can lead to a more efficient operation all the way around.

    By the way guys, you know this is the Probie House thread right? Is it right for there to be a Probie House thread and we are in here as the guys "providing advice" saying if you have to ask questions on the internet find another job? Come on guys, either help the guy out or let someone else, not the place to discourage the next generation.

    My opinion completely, not trying to start a war over ladder techniques
    Don't get me wrong. I am not against teaching and training. I do disagree though that there is "a lot of technique and fine tuning" that goes into carrying a ladder.

    I believe the point that some of us tried to make is that there is a certain "hands on" predisposition that most of us in the fire service have going into it. Things like thinking on your feet, problem solving, ability and experience working with tools (power and hand) are good traits for firefighters. I'm not saying you can't teach those things. But if you were not good with your hands you probably would not become a carpenter, so why become a firefighter? We've probably all seen kids out of college who have barely held a job come into the fire service. Compare them to the guy who worked construction or came out of the military. The hands on guy has a huge head start that may never be overcome.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by CATruckie81 View Post
      Absolutely agree with that... at scene, in training is another story all together. Training is where we make muscle memory so that you can do exactly what you outlined in your recent post, Get the thing up! The fireground is not the time to address a deficiency.

      Whether you realize it or not, thats exactly why you did those same evolutions when you were being trained. For the young guys without the reps its not fair to tell them to simply "hit the gym," there is a lot of technique and fine tuning that can lead to a more efficient operation all the way around.

      By the way guys, you know this is the Probie House thread right? Is it right for there to be a Probie House thread and we are in here as the guys "providing advice" saying if you have to ask questions on the internet find another job? Come on guys, either help the guy out or let someone else, not the place to discourage the next generation.

      My opinion completely, not trying to start a war over ladder techniques
      I am not picking on the rookies, I have been a training officer since 1991 -My outlook on it is-if by the time you turn 18 you haven't become some what proficient in the simple basic" hands on" tasks such as raising a ladder, spending time on the internet "dissecting" it is just going to give you information that is useless unless you have a "knowledge base" to build on. - there's a old joke about someone letting their car roll down the mountain when they were changing a flat. punch line is "but I did exactly like you told me --I put a big rock BEHIND the wheel"
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      • #18
        Didn't realize this thread resumed.

        Originally this was just about the training side of things, but as was mentioned in reality it's not about form, but rather that the job gets done. Someone explained it to me just as Jak put 'if you can't carry it, then drag it' since while in training yea you have to do it 'right' in reality nothing is ever perfect. We actually experimented with the single person 35ft raise... you just have to drag it, and it's a B to put up, but it is doable.

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